Mormon's are no longer Christian: Hegseth

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Who even cares? So tired of this stuff. How could people have voted for this?!

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I noticed agnostic is an allowed code, atheist is not. Perhaps the Christian Nationalist Hegseth prefers to pretend we don't exist. 😆

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

I'm Catholic. Just say that Mormons are not Catholic and do not follow the church's doctrine. We don't need to dilute our faith to accommodate a religion that is based on a new prophet.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say that Mormonism is to Christianity as Shia is to Sunni.
Or Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism.

That split happened very early on. Maybe more like the branches of Shi'ism.

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed agnostic is an allowed code, atheist is not. Perhaps the Christian Nationalist Hegseth prefers to pretend we don't exist. 😆

Isn't it about the types of support needed from the chaplains? What would atheists need from chaplains?

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed agnostic is an allowed code, atheist is not. Perhaps the Christian Nationalist Hegseth prefers to pretend we don't exist. 😆

Isn't it about the types of support needed from the chaplains? What would atheists need from chaplains?

Humanity.

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Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

The Bible

Really? Where?

More implied than explicit.

So it doesn’t actually say that then? More like there are some passages that can be interpreted multiple ways and the Mormons take a slightly different (but still very similar) interpretation?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

DP. Literally every other Christian denomination besides Mormons.

That is literally not true. There are a number of others that don’t accept the nicene interpretation as well, including Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Unitarians.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

I assume you were not raised Catholic. As far as the Church is concerned, Mormans are considered part of a cult and not Christian. That doesn’t have to be your personal position, but that is the Church position.

What does the Catholic Church’s position have to do with the position of the US Government? Is DoD taking the position that the catholic view of theology is the correct one?

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Anonymous wrote:I would say that Mormonism is to Christianity as Shia is to Sunni.
Or Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism.

Im sunni but Shiites are genuine muslims- in fact they are the "good" Muslims in the beginning b/c they stood up against Yazid and stood with the 4rth Caliph Ali, it was only afterwards when they rejected the other 3 Caliphs and became more esoteric that the Sunnis condemned them on a theological basis, the first 'Sunnis' were a political party really and theologically were the evil people who destroyed the rightly guided Caliphate- the party of Imam Muawiya and his son Yazid. Mormon are to Christianity like Bahaii or Ahmadiyya are to Islam.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

I'm the poster who asked whether Mormons identified as Christians. From the bolded, it appears they do.

Like another PP, there's a DoD category called "Christians - Other". So, what's the problem? They're such snowflakes that they wanted a category with their Church's name? They're such a tiny denomination!

It's just marketing.

[Anonymous]

Mormons do not recognize believers in other denominations (Protestant, catholic , orthodox) to be Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:Mormons do not recognize believers in other denominations (Protestant, catholic , orthodox) to be Christian.

Not true.

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/84052/do-lds-believers-not-accept-any-others-who-self-identify-as-christian

[Anonymous]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) has an estimated total net worth between $250 billion and $300+ billion, making it one of the wealthiest religious institutions in the world.

WWJD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) has an estimated total net worth between $250 billion and $300+ billion, making it one of the wealthiest religious institutions in the world.

WWJD?

A pittance compared to the Catholic Church