Mormon's are no longer Christian: Hegseth

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

I'm the poster who asked whether Mormons identified as Christians. From the bolded, it appears they do.

Like another PP, there's a DoD category called "Christians - Other". So, what's the problem? They're such snowflakes that they wanted a category with their Church's name? They're such a tiny denomination!

Mike Lee isn't going to get an apology from the twitter base that's used this as an excuse to attack his religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

This is just an extreme viewpoint from some evangelicals. They've said this for decades about the LDS church. It's just another variety of exclusion. Even if you agree, what's the point of this?

So much for ecumenism!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

The Catholic Church is the OG of Christianity. If you question whether you should be allowed to take communion, whether your sins are truly forgiven during penance (communal is no longer acceptable!) or if double dipping a weekend holy day and Sunday mass is a sin, look no further! the Catholic Church will happily provide the ruling!

I could easily see why Hegseth would make these judgement calls if he were CATHOLIC. But that joker is nothing but a two- bit EVANGELICAL. You know , a film flam man.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

Fortunately, religion is losing its stranglehold on cultures around the world with each passing generation as people are finding the contradictory truths behind religions are impossible to ignore. We'll hopefully be done with it within a century or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

Fortunately, religion is losing its stranglehold on cultures around the world with each passing generation as people are finding the contradictory truths behind religions are impossible to ignore. We'll hopefully be done with it within a century or two.

Thank you. Arguing about what Mormons believe is like trying to define the immutable nature of your child’s imaginary friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love that Mike Lee and others like him are going through this. Well-deserved for their own role in pushing racism and bigotry towards other groups.

Mormons are in a cult and it gets very bad the higher up you are allowed.

Much is hidden and I hope one day it all comes out much like a certain island.

[Anonymous]

Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

The Bible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

Fortunately, religion is losing its stranglehold on cultures around the world with each passing generation as people are finding the contradictory truths behind religions are impossible to ignore. We'll hopefully be done with it within a century or two.

Thank you. Arguing about what Mormons believe is like trying to define the immutable nature of your child’s imaginary friend.

Haha, that's a mean way of stating a truth but I get it. Religion served an important role in societies for thousands of years as a form of comfort during very harsh times, as a way of explaining things science had yet to explain, and as a way of policing lawless people. It just seems as though more bad than good is coming from religions these days with all the violence targeted at groups of people simply due to the religion they practice and for other reasons as well.

Seriously, how many more Muslim and Jewish gatherings need to be gruesomely attacked in the name of hate? How many more children need to feel ostracized by their family because they don't conform to their religion's silly rule book? How many more women need to remain in abusive relationships because their God says they must be strong and stand by their wedded man? Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no vote here. This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned. LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian.

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike.

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.

Fortunately, religion is losing its stranglehold on cultures around the world with each passing generation as people are finding the contradictory truths behind religions are impossible to ignore. We'll hopefully be done with it within a century or two.

Secularists have been claiming we'll be done with religion "in a century or two" for countless centuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

The Bible

Really? Where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the Trinity is core to the Christian faith?

The Bible

Really? Where?

More implied than explicit.