Hegseth Ordered Second Strike to Kill Caribbean Boat Survivors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

They not only can but they must. Members of the military are required to refuse illegal orders as the second strike obviously was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

Not only can they, they must. So in this case, the drone operators are in hot water too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

They not only can but they must. Members of the military are required to refuse illegal orders as the second strike obviously was.

Everyone involved needs to go down. If they don’t it just says that you can murder people and commit crimes whenever it suits you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

Of course. All members of the armed forces have been advised they not only can, but are obligated to refuse to carry out an illegal order!

"Duty to refuse: U.S. service members are not required to follow an illegal order. In fact, they are legally required to disobey an order if it is patently illegal—meaning it's clearly a crime or a violation of the Constitution, as discussed by BBC and The Conversation.".

Murder is definitely an illegal order,!

[Anonymous]

Trump just threw admiral Frank M. Bradley under the buss.

“ White House says admiral approved second strike on boat from Venezuela, defends attack as lawful.
Hegseth authorized admiral to conduct strikes on Venezuelan vessel, White House says
Critics question legality of strikes, lawmakers to investigate

The White House said on Monday that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth authorized an admiral to conduct multiple strikes on a vessel from Venezuela allegedly carrying illegal narcotics in September.
The Washington Post had reported that a second strike was ordered to take out two survivors from the initial strike and to comply with an order by Hegseth that everyone be killed.“
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/white-house-admiral-approved-second-strike-boat-venezuela-was-well-within-legal-2025-12-01/


Better lawyer up! The example used for an illegal order by the military in training is shooting people clinging to a boat. This admiral is f’ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

If the secretary tell you to kill a 3 year old, two people who survived your strike or us civilians you should refuse the order. Now the DOD will court martial you or just summary executed you.

[Anonymous]

This is why the Democrats's video recording about not following illegal orders was so poorly received by the White House and Hegseth. They know what they did!

[Anonymous]

The US military own manual says shooting ship wreck survivors is illegal and amoral. They executed German submarine commanders for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

If the secretary tell you to kill a 3 year old, two people who survived your strike or us civilians you should refuse the order. Now the DOD will court martial you or just summary executed you.

They're trying to see what they can get away with and if the American people will sit by quietly and ignore their actions until it's too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

The service members cannot avail themselves of a "just following orders" defense. They should have known this was an illegal order and they are as culpable as Hegseth and trump because Hegseth did not issue this order without trump knowledge and agreement.

Can they refuse orders from the secretary?

Admiral Alvin Holsey refused the orders and was forced to resign and retire. But hey, he will not have to answer to war crimes and his conscience is clear.

[Anonymous]

Pentagon admits Kabul drone strike that killed 10 civilians, including up to 7 children, was a 'tragic mistake'

US officials have apologised for killing innocent civilians in a drone strike near Kabul airport on 29 August, admitting they had mistakenly thought they were targeting a facilitator for ISIS-K.

By Alexa Phillips, news reporter
Saturday 18 September 2021

Excerpts.....

"Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters two days after the attack that it appeared to have been a "righteous" strike and that at least one of the people killed was a "facilitator" for ISIS-K - the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate."

"Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said: "We now know that there was no connection between Mr Ahmadi and ISIS-Khorasan, that his activities on that day were completely harmless and not at all related to the imminent threat we believed we faced."

"We apologise, and we will endeavour to learn from this horrible mistake."

"US President Joe Biden had touted the strike as a success and as proof that the US could carry out "over the horizon" strikes from outside Afghanistan."

https://news.sky.com/story/pentagon-admits-kabul-drone-strike-that-killed-10-civilians-including-up-to-7-children-was-a-tragic-mistake-12410757

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why the Democrats's video recording about not following illegal orders was so poorly received by the White House and Hegseth. They know what they did!

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Pentagon admits Kabul drone strike that killed 10 civilians, including up to 7 children, was a 'tragic mistake'

US officials have apologised for killing innocent civilians in a drone strike near Kabul airport on 29 August, admitting they had mistakenly thought they were targeting a facilitator for ISIS-K.

By Alexa Phillips, news reporter
Saturday 18 September 2021

Excerpts.....

"Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters two days after the attack that it appeared to have been a "righteous" strike and that at least one of the people killed was a "facilitator" for ISIS-K - the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate."

"Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said: "We now know that there was no connection between Mr Ahmadi and ISIS-Khorasan, that his activities on that day were completely harmless and not at all related to the imminent threat we believed we faced."

"We apologise, and we will endeavour to learn from this horrible mistake."

"US President Joe Biden had touted the strike as a success and as proof that the US could carry out "over the horizon" strikes from outside Afghanistan."

https://news.sky.com/story/pentagon-admits-kabul-drone-strike-that-killed-10-civilians-including-up-to-7-children-was-a-tragic-mistake-12410757

Exactly, a mistake. As opposed to Trump and Hesgeth’s illegal murder order. Thanks for clarifying for this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Pentagon admits Kabul drone strike that killed 10 civilians, including up to 7 children, was a 'tragic mistake'

US officials have apologised for killing innocent civilians in a drone strike near Kabul airport on 29 August, admitting they had mistakenly thought they were targeting a facilitator for ISIS-K.

By Alexa Phillips, news reporter
Saturday 18 September 2021

Excerpts.....

"Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters two days after the attack that it appeared to have been a "righteous" strike and that at least one of the people killed was a "facilitator" for ISIS-K - the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate."

"Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said: "We now know that there was no connection between Mr Ahmadi and ISIS-Khorasan, that his activities on that day were completely harmless and not at all related to the imminent threat we believed we faced."

"We apologise, and we will endeavour to learn from this horrible mistake."

"US President Joe Biden had touted the strike as a success and as proof that the US could carry out "over the horizon" strikes from outside Afghanistan."

https://news.sky.com/story/pentagon-admits-kabul-drone-strike-that-killed-10-civilians-including-up-to-7-children-was-a-tragic-mistake-12410757

Exactly, a mistake. As opposed to Trump and Hesgeth’s illegal murder order. Thanks for clarifying for this board.

Also we were at war with Afghanistan on the date of attack and are not at war with Venezuela