Northwestern vs Cornell for gov/history/law oriented student

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is if your kid end up having that choice, that is amazing. You cant go wrong with either school.

If your kid has international aspirations, Cornell has a better known brand outside of the US. But other than that, your kid should be happy with either.

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-1. Typical know nothing DCUM bullshit.

Oh my. Of course you know everything. The only bullshitter here is you. I’m a Northwestern grad. My wife is a Cornell grad. We lived abroad for years. The fact is, very few people even knew what Northwestern was. Everyone knew what Cornell was. We were both in consulting, and this was among our own colleagues and partners in the EU, not the average joe. I don’t care what you or your ridiculous commentary says. I’ve experienced it. Go away.

Your personal experience doesn’t make it universally true by a long shot. The world is a big place and while you may have lived abroad for a while you only lived in a small part of it. Both schools are widely known world wide.

I’m the PP. I lived in Germany, Italy, UK and Australia before moving back to the states. Sorry. My alma matter is an unknown there. Scream all you want….

One of my very best friends is a well known professor at ANU. Trust me, he’s heard of Northwestern.

You may have lived in a lot of places, but you obviously didn’t run around with a very worldly crowd.

Ok. Whatever you say. I was only around MBB types for 16 years. I love Northwestern. Phenomenal school. My wife and I always argue about this. But let the facts be what they are. Outside of the US, there is no comparison. Sorry.

Maybe you just had a more successful wife? Not having anything to do with the school?

Ha ha! Cornell has always had a very strong international reputation. Probably because Cornell has always been strong while Northwestern has risen in the last 15-20 years

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people ask these types of questions before their kid is even admitted? Chances are high that they’ll be rejected from both, even with amazing stats.

With that said, the settings are completely different. Which did your kid like better?

Definitely this. If this is a parent going through this for the first time, make no assumptions about admissions. Every year there is a thread from parents shocked at kids that got rejected from A, B and C with exceptional profiles.

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Anonymous wrote:This information might be out of date, but the grading curve at Cornell was harsh. A high GPA is important for admission to law school.

My kid went to a crappy high school, & at Northwestern was on a time-consuming club sports team & always worked at least one part-time job, yet still graduated as a double-major in 2 social science fields with a 3.75 gpa.

If the grade deflation at Cornell is anywhere near what it’s alleged to be, I can’t imagine him doing all that at Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a pre-law kid who had this exact choice (in RD - tried for HYP REA and got rej). Kid picked Northwestern. Seemed to think Northwestern would be less stressful, more fun, and liked the proximity to a big city. We also know multiple kids admitted to one of these schools and rejected to the other, with no clear pattern. Seems like it's basically an identical cohort.

From a tactical POV, the ED bump is much greater at Northwestern. ED doesn't mean much at Cornell. So you could try for Northwestern and RD Cornell if it doesn't work out.

As good as it is, Northwestern is still fighting against its image as an Ivy-reject school. So it seems to LOVE ED applicants.

Cornell, for one obvious reason, doesn’t have to fight the Ivy-reject label.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is if your kid end up having that choice, that is amazing. You cant go wrong with either school.

If your kid has international aspirations, Cornell has a better known brand outside of the US. But other than that, your kid should be happy with either.

This +1.

-1. Typical know nothing DCUM bullshit.

Oh my. Of course you know everything. The only bullshitter here is you. I’m a Northwestern grad. My wife is a Cornell grad. We lived abroad for years. The fact is, very few people even knew what Northwestern was. Everyone knew what Cornell was. We were both in consulting, and this was among our own colleagues and partners in the EU, not the average joe. I don’t care what you or your ridiculous commentary says. I’ve experienced it. Go away.

Your personal experience doesn’t make it universally true by a long shot. The world is a big place and while you may have lived abroad for a while you only lived in a small part of it. Both schools are widely known world wide.

I’m the PP. I lived in Germany, Italy, UK and Australia before moving back to the states. Sorry. My alma matter is an unknown there. Scream all you want….

One of my very best friends is a well known professor at ANU. Trust me, he’s heard of Northwestern.

You may have lived in a lot of places, but you obviously didn’t run around with a very worldly crowd.

Ok. Whatever you say. I was only around MBB types for 16 years. I love Northwestern. Phenomenal school. My wife and I always argue about this. But let the facts be what they are. Outside of the US, there is no comparison. Sorry.

Maybe you just had a more successful wife? Not having anything to do with the school?

Ha ha! Cornell has always had a very strong international reputation. Probably because Cornell has always been strong while Northwestern has risen in the last 15-20 years

That’s just not true. NU has been a very big deal since before any of us were born.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is if your kid end up having that choice, that is amazing. You cant go wrong with either school.

If your kid has international aspirations, Cornell has a better known brand outside of the US. But other than that, your kid should be happy with either.

This +1.

-1. Typical know nothing DCUM bullshit.

Oh my. Of course you know everything. The only bullshitter here is you. I’m a Northwestern grad. My wife is a Cornell grad. We lived abroad for years. The fact is, very few people even knew what Northwestern was. Everyone knew what Cornell was. We were both in consulting, and this was among our own colleagues and partners in the EU, not the average joe. I don’t care what you or your ridiculous commentary says. I’ve experienced it. Go away.

Your personal experience doesn’t make it universally true by a long shot. The world is a big place and while you may have lived abroad for a while you only lived in a small part of it. Both schools are widely known world wide.

I’m the PP. I lived in Germany, Italy, UK and Australia before moving back to the states. Sorry. My alma matter is an unknown there. Scream all you want….

One of my very best friends is a well known professor at ANU. Trust me, he’s heard of Northwestern.

You may have lived in a lot of places, but you obviously didn’t run around with a very worldly crowd.

Ok. Whatever you say. I was only around MBB types for 16 years. I love Northwestern. Phenomenal school. My wife and I always argue about this. But let the facts be what they are. Outside of the US, there is no comparison. Sorry.

Maybe you just had a more successful wife? Not having anything to do with the school?

Ha ha! Cornell has always had a very strong international reputation. Probably because Cornell has always been strong while Northwestern has risen in the last 15-20 years

That’s just not true. NU has been a very big deal since before any of us were born.

+1 this is the most ignorant thread I’ve read on here in a while.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people ask these types of questions before their kid is even admitted? Chances are high that they’ll be rejected from both, even with amazing stats.

With that said, the settings are completely different. Which did your kid like better?

Definitely this. If this is a parent going through this for the first time, make no assumptions about admissions. Every year there is a thread from parents shocked at kids that got rejected from A, B and C with exceptional profiles.

The question is about where to apply ED.

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Either school is fine for any kid. But again, if you want to go internationally, Cornell is the path of least resistance.

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Anonymous wrote:Either school is fine for any kid. But again, if you want to go internationally, Cornell is the path of least resistance.

I don't see how a grade deflated, competitive college is the path of least resistance in this instance. Northwestern is the better option, and you have access to more opportunities during the school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Either school is fine for any kid. But again, if you want to go internationally, Cornell is the path of least resistance.

I don't see how a grade deflated, competitive college is the path of least resistance in this instance. Northwestern is the better option, and you have access to more opportunities during the school year.

I agree. Even though Cornell is MUCH better known internationally than Northwestern, I think Northwestern is more desirable for most US students academically and socially. If you're a NY resident applying to ILR, I'd give Cornell a huge edge.

That said, both are great so apply ED where kid thinks he'll be happiest.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is if your kid end up having that choice, that is amazing. You cant go wrong with either school.

If your kid has international aspirations, Cornell has a better known brand outside of the US. But other than that, your kid should be happy with either.

This +1.

-1. Typical know nothing DCUM bullshit.

Oh my. Of course you know everything. The only bullshitter here is you. I’m a Northwestern grad. My wife is a Cornell grad. We lived abroad for years. The fact is, very few people even knew what Northwestern was. Everyone knew what Cornell was. We were both in consulting, and this was among our own colleagues and partners in the EU, not the average joe. I don’t care what you or your ridiculous commentary says. I’ve experienced it. Go away.

Your personal experience doesn’t make it universally true by a long shot. The world is a big place and while you may have lived abroad for a while you only lived in a small part of it. Both schools are widely known world wide.

I’m the PP. I lived in Germany, Italy, UK and Australia before moving back to the states. Sorry. My alma matter is an unknown there. Scream all you want….

One of my very best friends is a well known professor at ANU. Trust me, he’s heard of Northwestern.

You may have lived in a lot of places, but you obviously didn’t run around with a very worldly crowd.

Ok. Whatever you say. I was only around MBB types for 16 years. I love Northwestern. Phenomenal school. My wife and I always argue about this. But let the facts be what they are. Outside of the US, there is no comparison. Sorry.

Maybe you just had a more successful wife? Not having anything to do with the school?

Ha ha! Cornell has always had a very strong international reputation. Probably because Cornell has always been strong while Northwestern has risen in the last 15-20 years

That’s just not true. NU has been a very big deal since before any of us were born.

NU is a good school but not as big a deal as some of you like to think.

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Both Cornell & Northwestern are a big deal both here in the USA & abroad.

US News ranks Northwestern at #6 ahead of 5 Ivy League schools. NU is higher ranked than U Penn, Cornell, Brown, Columbia, & Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:I am from a Cornell and Michigan family. Michigan is a larger school and not an Ivy but both schools have a tradition of breadth in all subjects (no one program is dominant). Northwestern is like this, too. So I can understand why you feel similarities between Cornell and Northwestern.

Cornell very much reflects its historic identity as a New York school. It has a significant population of New York state and NYC Metro area students. With NYC being such a globally dominant metropolis, it makes sense that NYC is the post-grad destination of many students. For me, I wanted to live in a different area after graduation (not NYC, not Eastern seaboard) and I wanted a little more chill grad school experience. SonI chose Michigan. Michigan has a big Michigan contingent (mainly from affluent suburbs) and noticeable LA/California and NYC Metro area.

I've known kids from Northwestern and Chicago. I'd say that they are also whip smart and some have had an urban upbringing similar to NYC, but Chicago and New York are still different on flavor.

There are kids from all over the place at both schools. But there's still a different geographic based energy that I think is real. If your kid is NYC bound, I'd do Cornell in a heartbeat. For Asia work, I might also consider Cornell due to really old, longstanding ties with certain countries.

I realize this might sound a little woo woo but it feels real to me.

There are as many Illinois residents at Northwestern (around 30 percent) as there are New Yorkers at Cornell, both are a distinct minority, and not all New Yorkers are from the NYC metro area. If you’re from somewhere else in NY culturally you might as well be Midwest.

Facts over feelings.

PP. Where are you from that you're so insensate to the effects of place? 30% locals is a big impact on the feel of any school. It's important to also consider regional patterns in post-grad employment.

I have ties to family in various parts of upstate New York. And Western PA. Pittsburghers often reject outsiders describing them as Midwestern. And I agree they are not Midwestern. My kids are Midwestern.

OP is looking for differences. I think the regional flavor is a big deal. OP can take it or leave it. I described this as a bit woo woo because I don't have time to write a full qualitative research report for one nasty DCUM opp.

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Anonymous wrote:Posts like this make me want to pull my hair out. There is zero difference between these schools for a prelaw student.

I’m a glutton for punishment. I hate the college forum on DCUM so much. It’s just a bunch of insecure college prestige obsessed weirdos seeking and getting advice from people who know absolutely nothing and frequently dispense terribly wrong information that is easily debunked by a minute’s research.

Yet I keep coming back.

All of this. And not just the OP but many of the comments that followed.