W&L vs Roanoke

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Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee
Endowment 1.9 Billion
Graduation Rate 94.4%
SAT Range 1410-1530

Roanoke
Endowment 138 Million
Graduation Rate 69%
SAT Range 1090-1270

Schools are not peers. If you like Roanoke perhaps look at Washington College in MD.

Why does any of this matter for a high stat kid that would be successful at either college?

I hate to summon the bucknell boosters, but W&L actually places on the Street. Roanoke doesn’t. The best Roanoke College grad is probably going to Advance Auto corporate to do FP&A.

Do you have a cite?

Niche has Roanoke grads at 44k six years out, W&L at 76k. If you think the OCR opportunities at both colleges are equal, you're deluded.

(And I HATE W&L so I'm not saying this as a booster.)

Roanoke is a good safety school for someone considering W&L however. Reasonably similar vibes given the academic and outcome gulf between them.

A top kid from Roanoke could make the same as a W&L grad six years out, no?

I don't know that we can infer that from the bare averages, but even assuming we could, what does it say that if you are at the absolute top of the food chain at Roanoke and really minmax your experience there, you can end up earning the same as a bog average W&L graduate? Not good things about Roanoke.

Beyond that, there's OCR. I know for a fact that MBB consulting firms recruit at W&L. I believe bulge bracket banks may as well. None of them recruit at Roanoke. You wouldn't even have the chance to get your foot in the door to prove yourself as a top kid from Roanoke.

If the kid from Roanoke ends up earning the same salary as a W&L kid then that’s a good look for Roanoke, no?

He’s not. He’s selling casualty insurance in Martinsville.

You seem confused. Roanoke isn’t a regional state school. Roanoke is a national university with a large presence of kids from the mid-Atlantic and Northeast. You think those kids are settling in Martinsville? Lol you really need to get out of your bubble more often.

LOL. Nearly 2/3 of the student body comes from Virginia or North Carolina. https://apps.roanoke.edu/IR/PDF-Files/Enrl2022Spring.pdf

“Northeast States” (if I generously include PA as a Northeast State) is 20%. Without PA, Northeast States is 13%.

111 from MD

You got me. I guess it’s a National University after all.

76 from NJ

Yeah that’s in the 20% northeast number I calculated. This isn’t a serious conversation.

A third of their students coming from beyond VA/NC isn’t significant?

That number for W&L is 75% which is the comparison OP wants to make.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-and-lee-university/student-life/diversity/

The PP said Roanoke wasn’t a national university and that graduates should expect to work in Martinsville or for Advance Auto after graduation. Do the 111 kids from MD and 76 from NJ all move to Martinsville?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference? Roanoke merit makes it cheaper than a state school.

Why yes, there is a difference. No offense to Roanoke, but it is not in the same league as W&L.

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This is a money question and only the original poster can answer it.

I would think there has to be another option between the two schools were the OP can get some merit.

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I think your kid could have a great time at Roanoke OP, but they might find the fellow students to be a bit unstimulating. Up to them if they can handle that.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee
Endowment 1.9 Billion
Graduation Rate 94.4%
SAT Range 1410-1530

Roanoke
Endowment 138 Million
Graduation Rate 69%
SAT Range 1090-1270

Schools are not peers. If you like Roanoke perhaps look at Washington College in MD.

Why does any of this matter for a high stat kid that would be successful at either college?

I hate to summon the bucknell boosters, but W&L actually places on the Street. Roanoke doesn’t. The best Roanoke College grad is probably going to Advance Auto corporate to do FP&A.

Do you have a cite?

Niche has Roanoke grads at 44k six years out, W&L at 76k. If you think the OCR opportunities at both colleges are equal, you're deluded.

(And I HATE W&L so I'm not saying this as a booster.)

Roanoke is a good safety school for someone considering W&L however. Reasonably similar vibes given the academic and outcome gulf between them.

A top kid from Roanoke could make the same as a W&L grad six years out, no?

I don't know that we can infer that from the bare averages, but even assuming we could, what does it say that if you are at the absolute top of the food chain at Roanoke and really minmax your experience there, you can end up earning the same as a bog average W&L graduate? Not good things about Roanoke.

Beyond that, there's OCR. I know for a fact that MBB consulting firms recruit at W&L. I believe bulge bracket banks may as well. None of them recruit at Roanoke. You wouldn't even have the chance to get your foot in the door to prove yourself as a top kid from Roanoke.

If the kid from Roanoke ends up earning the same salary as a W&L kid then that’s a good look for Roanoke, no?

He’s not. He’s selling casualty insurance in Martinsville.

You seem confused. Roanoke isn’t a regional state school. Roanoke is a national university with a large presence of kids from the mid-Atlantic and Northeast. You think those kids are settling in Martinsville? Lol you really need to get out of your bubble more often.

You can't make Roanoke happen. Especially by name dropping a school like W&L. Sorry. The ONLY thing both have in common is that they are in the confederate area of Virginia.

They're also both in the ODAC (then again, both UNC and FSU are in the ACC, and one is clearly better than the other). If my kid got into both, I'd definitely lean hard into W&L. It's a phenomenal school -- top tier among SLACs. Roanoke is an OK school.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee
Endowment 1.9 Billion
Graduation Rate 94.4%
SAT Range 1410-1530

Roanoke
Endowment 138 Million
Graduation Rate 69%
SAT Range 1090-1270

Schools are not peers. If you like Roanoke perhaps look at Washington College in MD.

Why does any of this matter for a high stat kid that would be successful at either college?

I hate to summon the bucknell boosters, but W&L actually places on the Street. Roanoke doesn’t. The best Roanoke College grad is probably going to Advance Auto corporate to do FP&A.

Do you have a cite?

Niche has Roanoke grads at 44k six years out, W&L at 76k. If you think the OCR opportunities at both colleges are equal, you're deluded.

(And I HATE W&L so I'm not saying this as a booster.)

Roanoke is a good safety school for someone considering W&L however. Reasonably similar vibes given the academic and outcome gulf between them.

A top kid from Roanoke could make the same as a W&L grad six years out, no?

I don't know that we can infer that from the bare averages, but even assuming we could, what does it say that if you are at the absolute top of the food chain at Roanoke and really minmax your experience there, you can end up earning the same as a bog average W&L graduate? Not good things about Roanoke.

Beyond that, there's OCR. I know for a fact that MBB consulting firms recruit at W&L. I believe bulge bracket banks may as well. None of them recruit at Roanoke. You wouldn't even have the chance to get your foot in the door to prove yourself as a top kid from Roanoke.

If the kid from Roanoke ends up earning the same salary as a W&L kid then that’s a good look for Roanoke, no?

He’s not. He’s selling casualty insurance in Martinsville.

You seem confused. Roanoke isn’t a regional state school. Roanoke is a national university with a large presence of kids from the mid-Atlantic and Northeast. You think those kids are settling in Martinsville? Lol you really need to get out of your bubble more often.

You can't make Roanoke happen. Especially by name dropping a school like W&L. Sorry. The ONLY thing both have in common is that they are in the confederate area of Virginia.

They're also both in the ODAC (then again, both UNC and FSU are in the ACC, and one is clearly better than the other). If my kid got into both, I'd definitely lean hard into W&L. It's a phenomenal school -- top tier among SLACs. Roanoke is an OK school.

Agree. Roanoke is spending big bucks on rebranding and trying to appeal to students with new football team, food trucks, social media etc. Wish them the best but they are largely undifferentiated among the ODAC schools other than WLU.

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We recently toured Roanoke. The negative posters on this thread should go see it. It’s a beautiful campus with a charming little downtown area within walking distance. Picture perfect mountains make for stunning scenery. Students were friendly and seemed happy. Sporty vibe. Why do more DC kids not at least tour this hidden gem?

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I was there today for admitted students day and pretty underwhelmed. A quarter of the school is in the Greek system btw, the staff were pretty unenthused, and the engineering rep didn't even show up at the "fair" for majors. We had to talk to the physics guy. The QR code on the business flyer was non-functional. We didn't stay for the campus tour. The whole vibe was very "come here, or don't, who cares."

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Anonymous wrote:I was there today for admitted students day and pretty underwhelmed. A quarter of the school is in the Greek system btw, the staff were pretty unenthused, and the engineering rep didn't even show up at the "fair" for majors. We had to talk to the physics guy. The QR code on the business flyer was non-functional. We didn't stay for the campus tour. The whole vibe was very "come here, or don't, who cares."

How was the staff unenthusiastic and what were you expecting?

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They were nice, but they gave their power point presenations and that was it. We were at tables eating lunch. There were only about 30 families. No staff came around to the tables and just said, hey, thanks for coming. The presenters just kind of dropped names of people and assured us about 50 times, I kid you not, that they could find a job with the alumni network. No pics really showing students doing much. One senior read an essay that was flat.

I was at ODU last weekend and just the session we had with the assistant dean for engineering on what we could expect blew Roanoke out of the water. The speakers and the professionalism of the staff hosting the event made an effort to get us excited about the school.

Today, the engineering guy was "running late" today and we had a 4 hour drive home so that was really, really lame. And my DS was interested in business as a minor. The lady was baffled that their free trial to their QR code on the flyer had expired. Didn't offer to answer questions about anything, just said, oh, our bad, guess we should get that looked at. At the price they are charging, for an already admitted student, it was a let down.

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Anonymous wrote:They were nice, but they gave their power point presenations and that was it. We were at tables eating lunch. There were only about 30 families. No staff came around to the tables and just said, hey, thanks for coming. The presenters just kind of dropped names of people and assured us about 50 times, I kid you not, that they could find a job with the alumni network. No pics really showing students doing much. One senior read an essay that was flat.

I was at ODU last weekend and just the session we had with the assistant dean for engineering on what we could expect blew Roanoke out of the water. The speakers and the professionalism of the staff hosting the event made an effort to get us excited about the school.

Today, the engineering guy was "running late" today and we had a 4 hour drive home so that was really, really lame. And my DS was interested in business as a minor. The lady was baffled that their free trial to their QR code on the flyer had expired. Didn't offer to answer questions about anything, just said, oh, our bad, guess we should get that looked at. At the price they are charging, for an already admitted student, it was a let down.

We had a COMPLETELY different experience -- though to be fair, my kid is not interested in engineering.

My DC is considering, and we really liked it!

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Anonymous wrote:They were nice, but they gave their power point presenations and that was it. We were at tables eating lunch. There were only about 30 families. No staff came around to the tables and just said, hey, thanks for coming. The presenters just kind of dropped names of people and assured us about 50 times, I kid you not, that they could find a job with the alumni network. No pics really showing students doing much. One senior read an essay that was flat.

I was at ODU last weekend and just the session we had with the assistant dean for engineering on what we could expect blew Roanoke out of the water. The speakers and the professionalism of the staff hosting the event made an effort to get us excited about the school.

Today, the engineering guy was "running late" today and we had a 4 hour drive home so that was really, really lame. And my DS was interested in business as a minor. The lady was baffled that their free trial to their QR code on the flyer had expired. Didn't offer to answer questions about anything, just said, oh, our bad, guess we should get that looked at. At the price they are charging, for an already admitted student, it was a let down.

We had a COMPLETELY different experience -- though to be fair, my kid is not interested in engineering.

My DC is considering, and we really liked it!

+1

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Anonymous wrote:They were nice, but they gave their power point presenations and that was it. We were at tables eating lunch. There were only about 30 families. No staff came around to the tables and just said, hey, thanks for coming. The presenters just kind of dropped names of people and assured us about 50 times, I kid you not, that they could find a job with the alumni network. No pics really showing students doing much. One senior read an essay that was flat.

I was at ODU last weekend and just the session we had with the assistant dean for engineering on what we could expect blew Roanoke out of the water. The speakers and the professionalism of the staff hosting the event made an effort to get us excited about the school.

Today, the engineering guy was "running late" today and we had a 4 hour drive home so that was really, really lame. And my DS was interested in business as a minor. The lady was baffled that their free trial to their QR code on the flyer had expired. Didn't offer to answer questions about anything, just said, oh, our bad, guess we should get that looked at. At the price they are charging, for an already admitted student, it was a let down.

We had a COMPLETELY different experience -- though to be fair, my kid is not interested in engineering.

My DC is considering, and we really liked it!

What did your DC like about Roanoke?

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Anonymous wrote:They were nice, but they gave their power point presenations and that was it. We were at tables eating lunch. There were only about 30 families. No staff came around to the tables and just said, hey, thanks for coming. The presenters just kind of dropped names of people and assured us about 50 times, I kid you not, that they could find a job with the alumni network. No pics really showing students doing much. One senior read an essay that was flat.

I was at ODU last weekend and just the session we had with the assistant dean for engineering on what we could expect blew Roanoke out of the water. The speakers and the professionalism of the staff hosting the event made an effort to get us excited about the school.

Today, the engineering guy was "running late" today and we had a 4 hour drive home so that was really, really lame. And my DS was interested in business as a minor. The lady was baffled that their free trial to their QR code on the flyer had expired. Didn't offer to answer questions about anything, just said, oh, our bad, guess we should get that looked at. At the price they are charging, for an already admitted student, it was a let down.

We had a COMPLETELY different experience -- though to be fair, my kid is not interested in engineering.

My DC is considering, and we really liked it!

What did your DC like about Roanoke?

It's GORGEOUS. Friendly. Homey. We felt like everyone we spoke to really wanted to be there.

My kid likes the mountains, and they're there for the taking.

[Anonymous]

Always Roanoke. Great school.