JD Vance - Career model

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very similar to Vance; grew up lower middle class with a dysfunctional family besotted with mental health and addiction issues (but it sounds like a LOT less violence or drama, mine was more low key alcoholism)

I ended up going to an elite school, but in science because I loved the subject, and my career so far has been pretty limited (some government labs after earning my MS). I would have loved to get into tech, but never cracked that code

Vance however transitioned into VC pretty easily right out of law school, before his rise to prominence with Hillbelly Elergy presented as a rubric to understanding Trumps ascendency. I can’t figure out if he had some legal skills or accomplishments that were groundwork for that VC pivot, but I feel our similar backgrounds would hold some lessons?

How flexible are your ethics?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very similar to Vance; grew up lower middle class with a dysfunctional family besotted with mental health and addiction issues (but it sounds like a LOT less violence or drama, mine was more low key alcoholism)

I ended up going to an elite school, but in science because I loved the subject, and my career so far has been pretty limited (some government labs after earning my MS). I would have loved to get into tech, but never cracked that code

Vance however transitioned into VC pretty easily right out of law school, before his rise to prominence with Hillbelly Elergy presented as a rubric to understanding Trumps ascendency. I can’t figure out if he had some legal skills or accomplishments that were groundwork for that VC pivot, but I feel our similar backgrounds would hold some lessons?

I mean the hints are pretty strong he got with Thiel in a sexual way.

Yes. Along with the Lolitas who worked for Thiel and currently work for Musk breaking into government computer databases full of classified info.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very similar to Vance; grew up lower middle class with a dysfunctional family besotted with mental health and addiction issues (but it sounds like a LOT less violence or drama, mine was more low key alcoholism)

You're similar to Vance? Yikes.

I'm pretty sure he was never lower middle class and that much of his book wasn't true. Thiel gave him money and Vance has never held a real job.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very similar to Vance; grew up lower middle class with a dysfunctional family besotted with mental health and addiction issues (but it sounds like a LOT less violence or drama, mine was more low key alcoholism)

I ended up going to an elite school, but in science because I loved the subject, and my career so far has been pretty limited (some government labs after earning my MS). I would have loved to get into tech, but never cracked that code

Vance however transitioned into VC pretty easily right out of law school, before his rise to prominence with Hillbelly Elergy presented as a rubric to understanding Trumps ascendency. I can’t figure out if he had some legal skills or accomplishments that were groundwork for that VC pivot, but I feel our similar backgrounds would hold some lessons?

Not accurate.

Hillbilly Elegy was part of his work at Thiel's firm.

You know how some people hire an underemployed person to camp out in line to get tickets to a show or to buy th new iPhone?

That's what Thiel hired Vance to do, to hold a place in government for Thiel to buy.

Such a great analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Not true at all. I know Any and went to Yale Law but that won't stop you from spreading lies, will it?

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

If you’re looking to model yourself after JD Vance, clearly you have the wrong type of smarts. He’s a patsy for Trump and Musk, and Theil. He’s also blatantly self-interested and has gone against everything he must have learned about the law at Yale in embracing MAGA. I am first gen, from educated immigrant parents, and had the finest education money can buy. I chose to work in do-gooder jobs. I’ve had some time in the sun, but mostly I’ve worked under less bright bureaucrats who were not very good at their jobs. Most people just have blah careers. It’s hard enough to keep a steady job, but it’s not hard to avoid being an evildoer. Ask yourself why you admire JD— are you a fascist?

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Anonymous wrote:I actually had pretty much the same trajectory as Vance - I grew up really poor, single mom, kind of crazy household. I joined the Army right out of high school, spent 4 years in, got out, went to college, then a great graduate program - and a crummy government job. The only difference was I didn't go to law school so I think Vance, at least there, was smarter than me. I'm just shocked at how right wing he has become because I thought he'd land on the side of helping the poor rather than screwing the poor.

Pretty big difference that he went to Yale law school, not just law school.

That is interesting too. He went to Yale law school from Ohio state? How did he manage that? Was he a star at Ohio — his stories seemed to be mostly about being drunk? Did he just kill it on the LSAT?

He graduated Summa in two years from Ohio State.

What was his LSAT score? How’d he moonlight as a neocon writer while in the military? Did he have a handler?

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

They also set him up with his first girlfriend who became his wife. Apparently zero dating history before age 27. Totally normal.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

+1. Amy Chua and her husband even wrote a book a few years before Hillbilly Elegy about how certain groups (e.g., Jews and Asians) do well in this country and certain others (e.g., Appalachians and Black people) don't. I didn't read the book, only reviews, but the reviews that I read universally panned the book as racist and factually inaccurate. I was reminded of their book when reading Hillbilly Elegy and then learned of the close relationship between Chua and Vance. But, hey, it made him a household name, and now we're all living with the consequences.

Because her books and Vance’s books are nothing more than anti-white open borders propaganda. And if you think it’s a coincidence that foreign grifter groomed his fake hillbilly ass I have a bridge to sell you.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

His wife isn't from a super wealthy background, either. Her dad is an engineer.

For families like mine or Vance, an engineer is super wealthy!

Half my family is on disability, the other half worked as aides at public schools or carpenters.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

If you’re looking to model yourself after JD Vance, clearly you have the wrong type of smarts. He’s a patsy for Trump and Musk, and Theil. He’s also blatantly self-interested and has gone against everything he must have learned about the law at Yale in embracing MAGA. I am first gen, from educated immigrant parents, and had the finest education money can buy. I chose to work in do-gooder jobs. I’ve had some time in the sun, but mostly I’ve worked under less bright bureaucrats who were not very good at their jobs. Most people just have blah careers. It’s hard enough to keep a steady job, but it’s not hard to avoid being an evildoer. Ask yourself why you admire JD— are you a fascist?

I guess I admired Vance up to the point he sided with Trump. At one point he called Trump a racist!

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

They also set him up with his first girlfriend who became his wife. Apparently zero dating history before age 27. Totally normal.

No girlfriend till 27??? What??

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

He didn't "find a mentor" - he allowed himself to be bought by Thiel. Vance understood that he was being given time and space to write a memoir that would entitle him to run for public office, and the trade off was that when he ran he would belong to Thiel. Thiel has bought himself the Vice Presidency, and, he hopes, the Presidency.

Chua didn't notice his skill - Chua noticed that he had a story that could be sold politically - kid from the wrong side of the tracks goes into the military and used the GI Bill to go to college. smart kid, so he gets into a good law school where he falls in live with a person of a different ethnicity and faith. There he is - a patriotic war hero who is living the American dream and values.... which he then sold out, changing his politics (previous dislike of Trump) and faith to be a more attractive political candidate.

That's not what I call skill:it's what I call the con. He is exactly the kind of inauthentic politician everyone says they hate.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

He didn't "find a mentor" - he allowed himself to be bought by Thiel. Vance understood that he was being given time and space to write a memoir that would entitle him to run for public office, and the trade off was that when he ran he would belong to Thiel. Thiel has bought himself the Vice Presidency, and, he hopes, the Presidency.

Chua didn't notice his skill - Chua noticed that he had a story that could be sold politically - kid from the wrong side of the tracks goes into the military and used the GI Bill to go to college. smart kid, so he gets into a good law school where he falls in live with a person of a different ethnicity and faith. There he is - a patriotic war hero who is living the American dream and values.... which he then sold out, changing his politics (previous dislike of Trump) and faith to be a more attractive political candidate.

That's not what I call skill:it's what I call the con. He is exactly the kind of inauthentic politician everyone says they hate.

War hero? He was placed on desk duty during a hot war, a spot where intel puts kids they’re grooming. And he just coincidentally moonlighted while on desk duty writing for a neocon rag. Then he goes to Ohio State, interns for Republicans on the hill and links up with think tanks, and somehow graduates in two years. Nothing about this doofus is organic.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

He didn't "find a mentor" - he allowed himself to be bought by Thiel. Vance understood that he was being given time and space to write a memoir that would entitle him to run for public office, and the trade off was that when he ran he would belong to Thiel. Thiel has bought himself the Vice Presidency, and, he hopes, the Presidency.

Chua didn't notice his skill - Chua noticed that he had a story that could be sold politically - kid from the wrong side of the tracks goes into the military and used the GI Bill to go to college. smart kid, so he gets into a good law school where he falls in live with a person of a different ethnicity and faith. There he is - a patriotic war hero who is living the American dream and values.... which he then sold out, changing his politics (previous dislike of Trump) and faith to be a more attractive political candidate.

That's not what I call skill:it's what I call the con. He is exactly the kind of inauthentic politician everyone says they hate.

War hero? He was placed on desk duty during a hot war, a spot where intel puts kids they’re grooming. And he just coincidentally moonlighted while on desk duty writing for a neocon rag. Then he goes to Ohio State, interns for Republicans on the hill and links up with think tanks, and somehow graduates in two years. Nothing about this doofus is organic.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic when I said “war hero”. Any man who serves in the US military can use it as a testament to his patriotism whether or not he was actually in the fight.

As an aside, that is why men fight to keep women out of the service and, in particular, out of combat roles. Military service in combat is a fast track to high political office if you want to use it that way.