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Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

Also I think you should check the fat content of some of things you listed. I am not going to eat 4 eggs which is 12 g (but I’ll eat 2 and add egg whites). I’m not going to get my protein from cheese - the protein to calorie ratio is not good. I’m also not making fish or red meat everyday. But I do eat Greek yogurt, cottage cheese, fish 1-2 week, and chicken.

Fat is a vital macronutrient. Plus it is satiating. Fat from animals, dairy, and good sources like olive and avocados isn’t something to fear. Will be never get past the whole 1990s fear of fat??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

If you are middle aged and thus prone to sarcopenia, you should be consuming 1-1.2g of protein per kilogram of weight - so in your case, 75g of protein daily. You are unnecessarily stressing your kidneys and running risk of excess protein converting to glucose in your liver and storing as added fat in your body.

[Anonymous]

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-you-getting-too-much-protein#:~:text=The%20recommended%20dietary%20allowance%20to,grams%20of%20protein%20per%20day.

[Anonymous]

I was just listing examples. I don't eat eggs but do eat fish, lean meat, low fat dairy.
https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/articles/how-much-protein-when-working-out
The 145 pound person is eating 0.8 gm/pound and that's a good amount just over 1.7 gm /kg .
You need powder for that? Okiedokie,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-you-getting-too-much-protein#:~:text=The%20recommended%20dietary%20allowance%20to,grams%20of%20protein%20per%20day.

Not putting a whole lot of stock in one post from 2022 from one provider from an HMO in Minnesota.

I'll listen to my own physician.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 80g to 100g, I am 120lb and petite.
Drop below 60g I get exhausted from commute + job. Going above 120lb makes me lose appetite.

[Anonymous]

I find that in my 40s I am pretty much in the middle and witness all kinds of disordered eating. My BMI is 22.

When I am with thinner women, they are often restrictive to the point that they clearly have disordered patterns. Overexercising, anorexia, gluten/sugar/dairy/meat/flavor free for no medical reason. As someone who starved myself to be thin in my early 20s, I recognize the anxiousness and look and habits that come with this lifestyle of being afraid of food. When I am around them I feel proud of myself and healthy, and I feel quite sad for them.

When I am around friends who are overweight, I do notice that I make different choices. I eat what I want but I choose more veggie-forward dishes. I don't always finish my plate. My drinks are less caloric and I have fewer of them, if any alcohol. I don't eat dessert unless I want that particular dessert (call it a lingering effect of disordered eating, but I have trouble eating anything that doesn't taste good to me, and since I know food abounds, I just...don't eat it if I don't like it). I am not too smug about this because most of my overweight friends are a bit older and who knows what'll happen to me at menopause.

Protein does keep you fuller.
Too many calories do make you gain weight.
Sugar and junk in excess do make you feel sluggish and icky.
Salt does make you retain water.
But being overly restrictive and rigid makes you nuts and inflexible and is a sign of needing to control things in a way that isn't really healthy.

Balance and moderation and healthy body image from a young age are key.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

There's nothing worse than someone who cites to their spouse's job to make a claim. You're not a physician. You don't know what is or is not the current standard of care. You didn't go to med school. You didn't do residency. You aren't licensed. So why don't you shut the hell up.

As though the citing to your spouse isn’t bad enough, we know nothing about PP’s physician husband and how knowledge he is here. I don’t take gynecological advice from my ophthalmologist.

PP you replied to. I'm a research scientist in biology. My husband is specialized in auto-immune diseases. We don't need a PhD in protein intake to tell you that you should eat whole, unprocessed, natural foods, stay away from powders and most supplements and that an intense focus on proteins is just not the way to reach a healthy weight. Unless you were protein-deficient from the start, which usually omnivores are not. If you're vegetarian or vegan, then we can discuss.

The reason I cite our backgrounds is not to imply we are experts in nutrition, but to explain that we can think rationally about medicine, biology and health and aren't victims of diet trends.

[Anonymous]

One currently accepted formula is -

grams of daily protein = 0.8 x your weight in kg.

However, the data behind how much protein every individual needs is very sparse, which is why you should not feel obligated to follow this to the letter. Different people will metabolize food differently and have varying nutritional needs.

[Anonymous]

I feel more energetic and get hungry less often if my diet is mostly eggs, meat, Greek yogurt, fruit and vegetables. It generally works out to about 100g/day (I had to track when I was pregnant). Which is a shame because I’m a great baker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

Also I think you should check the fat content of some of things you listed. I am not going to eat 4 eggs which is 12 g (but I’ll eat 2 and add egg whites). I’m not going to get my protein from cheese - the protein to calorie ratio is not good. I’m also not making fish or red meat everyday. But I do eat Greek yogurt, cottage cheese, fish 1-2 week, and chicken.

Fat is a vital macronutrient. Plus it is satiating. Fat from animals, dairy, and good sources like olive and avocados isn’t something to fear. Will be never get past the whole 1990s fear of fat??

lol, this is America, don’t worry I eat fat. I could not avoid fat even if I tried. I just don’t need 4 eggs rather than two. I can add a tsp of goat cheese to my eggs. Salad dressing, 2% or 4% dairy, etc. All fat, but no need to load up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

If you are middle aged and thus prone to sarcopenia, you should be consuming 1-1.2g of protein per kilogram of weight - so in your case, 75g of protein daily. You are unnecessarily stressing your kidneys and running risk of excess protein converting to glucose in your liver and storing as added fat in your body.

Cool, I’m going to stick with what I eat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

There's nothing worse than someone who cites to their spouse's job to make a claim. You're not a physician. You don't know what is or is not the current standard of care. You didn't go to med school. You didn't do residency. You aren't licensed. So why don't you shut the hell up.

As though the citing to your spouse isn’t bad enough, we know nothing about PP’s physician husband and how knowledge he is here. I don’t take gynecological advice from my ophthalmologist.

PP you replied to. I'm a research scientist in biology. My husband is specialized in auto-immune diseases. We don't need a PhD in protein intake to tell you that you should eat whole, unprocessed, natural foods, stay away from powders and most supplements and that an intense focus on proteins is just not the way to reach a healthy weight. Unless you were protein-deficient from the start, which usually omnivores are not. If you're vegetarian or vegan, then we can discuss.

The reason I cite our backgrounds is not to imply we are experts in nutrition, but to explain that we can think rationally about medicine, biology and health and aren't victims of diet trends.

Then don’t follow trends. I’m unclear why so many of you feel so strongly about what I put in my body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
One currently accepted formula is -

grams of daily protein = 0.8 x your weight in kg.

However, the data behind how much protein every individual needs is very sparse, which is why you should not feel obligated to follow this to the letter. Different people will metabolize food differently and have varying nutritional needs.

Some people are more efficient at using the protein than others. I don’t think 40g or 100g are that different when consuming from natural foods. If you are still tired, eat more. If not, eat less and always eat a huge salad a day.

[Anonymous]

I guess the part that bugs me about this board is less on the protein and more on the “just eat 1200 calories a day” posters.