Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine living your life in a constant state of “How can I monetize this?”? How shallow and unfulfilling.

Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)

Absolutely 100%. Maybe its natural aging and maturity maybe it's the worsening economy and inflation pressures but we are a lot leaner and meaner than we were pre covid.
Smaller less expensive vacas, way less haircuts and indulgences like massages (Ugh!), repurposed clothes, coupon shopping, eating out 75% less, the works. If you saw a picture of me and my family from 2019 vs 2023 you'd think we were two different families. We look different, less flashy and shiny, but we're way happier. Didn't Jen, though, once write a book on this, ha ha.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)

Yes seeing this also, and it’s been a much welcome culture shift.

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TM’s cameo in her video makes me think she may be having him in Texas today or making that announcement the pp mentioned about how he’s splitting time Ivys moving in w her

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine living your life in a constant state of “How can I monetize this?”? How shallow and unfulfilling.

Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)

Absolutely 100%. Maybe its natural aging and maturity maybe it's the worsening economy and inflation pressures but we are a lot leaner and meaner than we were pre covid.
Smaller less expensive vacas, way less haircuts and indulgences like massages (Ugh!), repurposed clothes, coupon shopping, eating out 75% less, the works. If you saw a picture of me and my family from 2019 vs 2023 you'd think we were two different families. We look different, less flashy and shiny, but we're way happier. Didn't Jen, though, once write a book on this, ha ha.

What is wrong with massages? They can be wonderful for aches, pains and traumas.

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Anonymous wrote:TM’s cameo in her video makes me think she may be having him in Texas today or making that announcement the pp mentioned about how he’s splitting time Ivys moving in w her

What video? They’re coming up on their one year anniversary right? Moving in together would be a huge move for them. That’s great.

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine living your life in a constant state of “How can I monetize this?”? How shallow and unfulfilling.

Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)

Absolutely 100%. Maybe its natural aging and maturity maybe it's the worsening economy and inflation pressures but we are a lot leaner and meaner than we were pre covid.
Smaller less expensive vacas, way less haircuts and indulgences like massages (Ugh!), repurposed clothes, coupon shopping, eating out 75% less, the works. If you saw a picture of me and my family from 2019 vs 2023 you'd think we were two different families. We look different, less flashy and shiny, but we're way happier. Didn't Jen, though, once write a book on this, ha ha.

What is wrong with massages? They can be wonderful for aches, pains and traumas.

Yeah, I think the PP belongs to a very specific group who embraced "self-care" in the last decade or so but a very consumerist version of it. Like the Goop (or Jen Hatmaker) version of self-care where it's mostly about looking good and then projecting a semi-spiritual image on social media.

Real self-care is not about projecting an image and getting a massage can of course be part of that. I can't afford them regularly but I get them when I can and also have a massager at home that I can use on my feet and legs and shoulders that can help relax me. Self-care has never been about anti-aging treatments, getting my hair done, or buying new clothes for me. That's something else.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think the PP belongs to a very specific group who embraced "self-care" in the last decade or so but a very consumerist version of it. Like the Goop (or Jen Hatmaker) version of self-care where it's mostly about looking good and then projecting a semi-spiritual image on social media.

Real self-care is not about projecting an image and getting a massage can of course be part of that. I can't afford them regularly but I get them when I can and also have a massager at home that I can use on my feet and legs and shoulders that can help relax me. Self-care has never been about anti-aging treatments, getting my hair done, or buying new clothes for me. That's something else.

This, exactly. The Jens and Gwens have made their millions by selling products and experiences that are meant as an escape from life and/or “what women deserve for having to put up with their everyday relationships and tasks”... A better version of self-care (as likely found on an inspirational poster somewhere) would be actually living a life that you don’t feel the need to regularly escape or recovery from. Nice things and experiences can definitely be a part of both, but if life is just suffer suffer suffer pamper suffer pamper suffer suffer pamper” then the whole structure needs an overhaul, not just a vacation or new skincare system.

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Where did Tyler make an appearance? I only see that he commented on her video.

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Anonymous wrote:Where did Tyler make an appearance? I only see that he commented on her video.

I think they are referring to the comment that Jen made asking Tyler if he wanted to come over tomorrow (today)

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Anonymous wrote:Where did Tyler make an appearance? I only see that he commented on her video.

I think they are referring to the comment that Jen made asking Tyler if he wanted to come over tomorrow (today)

yes, this was what I meant. cameo was bad word but i meant it figuratively that he "popped up" and acknowledged her online. and above, yes after christmas would be about 1 year anniversary. would be a strange thing to move in imo

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Anonymous wrote:This, exactly. The Jens and Gwens have made their millions by selling products and experiences that are meant as an escape from life and/or “what women deserve for having to put up with their everyday relationships and tasks”... A better version of self-care (as likely found on an inspirational poster somewhere) would be actually living a life that you don’t feel the need to regularly escape or recovery from. Nice things and experiences can definitely be a part of both, but if life is just suffer suffer suffer pamper suffer pamper suffer suffer pamper” then the whole structure needs an overhaul, not just a vacation or new skincare system.

I googled Carissa after catching up on this board and LOL that the first link was about, what else, self care: https://empoweredtoconnect.org/podcast/when-self-care-doesnt-cut-it-with-carissa-woodwyk/

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Carissa was (is?) big in the religious adoption community. People used to revere her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine living your life in a constant state of “How can I monetize this?”? How shallow and unfulfilling.

Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)

Yes. 46y/o mom of three adult children. Seeing this. Will she embrace it?

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Anonymous wrote:From my looking, Carissa is licensed in Michigan as a LMFT and LPC, both current.

She is not licensed as either in Texas. Which seems strange, because she would then be practicing without a license in Texas. Unless Jen's use of the word "therapist" was super intentional - as that is not a protected title.

I'm in Canada, where things are different. But I would be very curious how she's working this with her Michigan licensing bodies.

It is no accident that Jen said, trying to play dumb, "with all the letters." She can't name the letters, or else she would out Carissa as practicing without a license in TX.

It's shady to me. The dual relationship is definitely sketchy. It would definitely warrant an ethical inquiry to her licensing board, though I wonder if the use of "therapist" is the safety piece here that would protect her?

Seems suspect to me, no matter which way you slice it.

Also, I can own that my skills in doing a license search in TX might be poor.

I would imagine the licensing is probably not an issue because she's not offering therapy, this would be more similar to being on a podcast, writing a book, etc. You wouldn't expect someone to be licensed in every single state.

I imagine the BetterHelp people get around the licensing thing by saying they are providing services in the state they reside in? It's probably one of those areas of professional practice where the rules haven't really kept up with technology.

It doesn't matter that the "rules haven't kept up with technology" you can only practice in states where you are licensed. There is a Counseling Compact being enacted that will allow practice in states that are in the compact. We (therapists) can not see our regular clients who are on vacation or business trips out of our state.

If she is seeing Jen as a "coach" then she should be referred to as a coach not as her therapist because it is also against our code of ethics to misrepresent yourself.

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I find it interesting that there are only 18 comments on her therapy post. Are they deleting comments? Do people not care about it?