Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

She literally sells Beauty Counter - in ad posts where her skin is miraculously (#filter) not red. Is it acceptable to discuss that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does she not play back videos and at least try to use a filter to change how red she is. it's so so bizarre that no one in her inner circle can be honest and tell her she doesn't look good. go back to brown! i know it's upkeep bc she's prob covering grays but she.looks.suburned and OLD

this seems overly harsh as she has said she has high blood pressure and it’s a pretty common side effect of that medication. Tanning bed red or medication red idk but since the red has been pretty persistent for a while and someone in her circle must have noticed makes me think it’s probably medication.

that is kind of my point. her hair stylist can point out to her that if her skin will be red due to something she can't control, then she should stop trying to be a new hair color that worsens the redness. cool it with brown hair, which is her natural hair color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does she not play back videos and at least try to use a filter to change how red she is. it's so so bizarre that no one in her inner circle can be honest and tell her she doesn't look good. go back to brown! i know it's upkeep bc she's prob covering grays but she.looks.suburned and OLD

this seems overly harsh as she has said she has high blood pressure and it’s a pretty common side effect of that medication. Tanning bed red or medication red idk but since the red has been pretty persistent for a while and someone in her circle must have noticed makes me think it’s probably medication.

that is kind of my point. her hair stylist can point out to her that if her skin will be red due to something she can't control, then she should stop trying to be a new hair color that worsens the redness. cool it with brown hair, which is her natural hair color.

But also who cares what color her face is? I think bringing that up is low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does she not play back videos and at least try to use a filter to change how red she is. it's so so bizarre that no one in her inner circle can be honest and tell her she doesn't look good. go back to brown! i know it's upkeep bc she's prob covering grays but she.looks.suburned and OLD

this seems overly harsh as she has said she has high blood pressure and it’s a pretty common side effect of that medication. Tanning bed red or medication red idk but since the red has been pretty persistent for a while and someone in her circle must have noticed makes me think it’s probably medication.

that is kind of my point. her hair stylist can point out to her that if her skin will be red due to something she can't control, then she should stop trying to be a new hair color that worsens the redness. cool it with brown hair, which is her natural hair color.

Or at the minimum if you want to be blonde please fix that disaster. Yellow/orange hair is not flattering, call Barbies hair dresser Jen, maybe you two can get a two for one. And you might want to check your blood pressure because from the looks of it it’s clearly running high.

My opinion, go back to brown.

[Anonymous]

In the new video on Instagram…about the new Me Course…her redness doesn’t look like blood pressure or meds so much as just looks like she’s cried a lot lately, then made best effort to cover it up with makeup, but still might burst into tears at any minute. Interesting to have her look so in pain while selling advice on getting past pain.

Also seems unprofessional (of Carissa) for her current therapist to be doing a work project alongside a patient…using your client to promote yourself…even if it was Jen’s idea…

[Anonymous]

Spotted a Jen/Tyler comment exchange on her video.

So he does still know she exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does she not play back videos and at least try to use a filter to change how red she is. it's so so bizarre that no one in her inner circle can be honest and tell her she doesn't look good. go back to brown! i know it's upkeep bc she's prob covering grays but she.looks.suburned and OLD

this seems overly harsh as she has said she has high blood pressure and it’s a pretty common side effect of that medication. Tanning bed red or medication red idk but since the red has been pretty persistent for a while and someone in her circle must have noticed makes me think it’s probably medication.

that is kind of my point. her hair stylist can point out to her that if her skin will be red due to something she can't control, then she should stop trying to be a new hair color that worsens the redness. cool it with brown hair, which is her natural hair color.

But also who cares what color her face is? I think bringing that up is low.

I’m with you - but I definitely think we can critique that hair color. It doesn’t look good on her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Also seems unprofessional (of Carissa) for her current therapist to be doing a work project alongside a patient…using your client to promote yourself…even if it was Jen’s idea…

That’s a dual relationship and can easily get a therapist’s license taken away. It is very unethical.

That was such a painful and delusional video to sit through. Why would anyone pay for that?

[Anonymous]

One example copied from online of legal definition of dual relationships for psychotherapists:

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1.2.1 UNETHICAL DUAL RELATIONSHIPS:
Other acts that would result in unethical dual relationships include, but are not limited to, borrowing money from a patient, hiring a patient, engaging in a business venture with a patient, or engaging in a close personal relationship with a patient. Such acts with a patient’s spouse, partner or family member may also be considered unethical dual relationships.

[Anonymous]

Wooooooooow. Wow Jen. Wow Carissa.

So I researched this Carissa (I have no life I know), who on the MeCourse site is listed as Carissa Woodwyk.

Carissa at least at one point has self-identified as a licensed counselor and marriage and family therapist (https://www.amazon.com/Before-You-Were-Mine-Discovering/dp/031033103X).

I did not find any indication of current licenses, not even on her personal website (https://carissawoodwyk.wordpress.com/).

However, since Jen has promoted Carissa's services as a therapist who "has all the fancy letters at the end of her name" both over the past couple years and today, I will assume that Carissa is currently licensed as a counselor and marriage and family therapist.

Now based on the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy Code of Ethics, a therapist should avoid multiple relationships. Anyone in the mental health field with a code of ethics will tell you those multiple relationships are almost always unethical (one exception is Indigenous counsellors working in Indigenous communities).
https://www.aamft.org/Legal_Ethics/Code_of_Ethics.aspx

Having a business relationship with Jen clearly constitutes as a multiple relationship.

Now you may argue that Clarissa took and documented all of "the appropriate precautions" but I strongly believes that there is no justifiable reason for them to be in a multiple relationship. Publicity and money is NOT justifiable.

Many people have been abused and traumatized by multiple relationships with therapists and they should NOT be normalized nor promoted in this way.

From hawking BetterHelp (an openly trash service) to hawking an unethical therapist to hawking unrealistic recovery times, Jen is a terrible example of a mental health ally.


Most importantly though, SHAME ON YOU CARISSA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the new video on Instagram…about the new Me Course…her redness doesn’t look like blood pressure or meds so much as just looks like she’s cried a lot lately, then made best effort to cover it up with makeup, but still might burst into tears at any minute. Interesting to have her look so in pain while selling advice on getting past pain.

Also seems unprofessional (of Carissa) for her current therapist to be doing a work project alongside a patient…using your client to promote yourself…even if it was Jen’s idea…

Big conflict of interest there, really. I don't think any truly ethical *therapist would get involved with a business venture with a client. Maybe her therapist didn't see it as a business venture, but that doesn't speak super well of her professionalism. The problem isn't even 'is she promoting herself,' the problem is that as soon as you entangle yourself with a client you lose a bit of the ability to speak honest, hard truths to your client. That's not a good thing. Even if Jen is no longer a client (which is not clear from the post...it seems she may still consider this woman 'her' therapist) it would generally be frowned upon professionally.

I would also suspect that any therapist truly worth it would probably NOT advise someone barely on the edge of healing from something like that to start offering courses to other people on healing from pain. I think that's the thing that gets me the most about this particular course. Barely 2 years out she is going to tell everyone how to work through their pain? Nope. Give me the person who is far enough on the other side of it to have not only healed, but had time to assess their healing, to look back and see where they would have done something differently, where they rushed the process (cough *tylermerrit* cough), where they still had blind spots, etc. I think it takes an incredible lack of self-awareness to think that you can teach other people how to heal when you are still in the midst of it yourself.

[Anonymous]

ha...in the time it took me to type that someone else beat me to it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Most importantly though, SHAME ON YOU CARISSA.

This. I really just want to yell at that therapist for allowing this. It feels very grift-like to me. Just another person trying to boost her career on Jen's coat tails?

[Anonymous]

Huge conflict of interest but not all all surprising given the day to day activities of these influencer grifter types.

[Anonymous]

She does blatantly say in the video that Carissa’s her therapist and was her primary therapeutic tool through everything, and still is.