CTCL schools

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Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

People been saving that 100s of schools are going to close since I was a student in the 90s. All of the schools are still open.

Uh except one "CTCL" (stupid name) has already gone under and doesn't exist anymore. Probably more to come.

Which one?

Marlboro College

Marlboro college had a student population of 150. Not exactly typical.

But regardless, is the ‘failure rate’ of the CTCL schools higher than other schools which are not on the list?

Doubtful! https://www.highereddive.com/news/how-many-colleges-and-universities-have-closed-since-2016/539379/

So you get caught being wrong and start flailing. Embarrassing. Just admit you're wrong and move on from trying to make CTCL a thing.

You’re mixing up your posters (I knew Marlboro closed already), and the only person trying to make CTCL a thing is you. The rest of us only occasionally use it on the internet for privacy and to describe a specific ‘type’ of undergrad college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

Again, if your DC is top tier and full pay, why do you care?

DP. We can care about whatever we want. Why do you care that we care?

If a parent would just say "I have a great kid with a decent record who can't get into a top school and doesn't want a state school and we can afford it so we're sending her to an also-ran second tier private where she can likely graduate and which college you go to really doesn't matter anyway," I'd get it. It's when they say they're sending her to a "special" school or a "hidden gem" that's such "great fit" that my stomach churns. Because that tells me that they've fallen for CTCL's marketing gimmick.

But why does that matter to you? I get folks freaking about the vax disinformation wielded online and by politicians and TV commentators - there are deadly implications. But I don't understand why parents "falling" for a supposed branding campaign matters to you as no one seems to be harmed. Really, why does your stomach churn?

I don't care that you care, just wonder why you do care, especially as you see yourself as a "first tier" person and with "first tier" DCs.

DP. I just think it’s dumb and cloying when parents boast about a marketing gimmick in an attempt to make themselves feel special. There’s also a weird inherent underlying desire to prove that these so-called CTCL schools are better than your regular liberal arts college, so it’s a weird, poorly conceived arrogance and pretentiousness that rings false.

Grateful for cites here of boasting and desire to prove that CTCL schools are better than regular liberal arts colleges. Without those cites, I can't grasp your rationale for "poorly conceived arrogance" and "pretentiousness." As my DCs' HS teachers would say, "don't tell me, show me."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

People been saving that 100s of schools are going to close since I was a student in the 90s. All of the schools are still open.

Uh except one "CTCL" (stupid name) has already gone under and doesn't exist anymore. Probably more to come.

Which one?

Marlboro College

Marlboro college had a student population of 150. Not exactly typical.

But regardless, is the ‘failure rate’ of the CTCL schools higher than other schools which are not on the list?

Doubtful! https://www.highereddive.com/news/how-many-colleges-and-universities-have-closed-since-2016/539379/

So you get caught being wrong and start flailing. Embarrassing. Just admit you're wrong and move on from trying to make CTCL a thing.

You’re mixing up your posters (I knew Marlboro closed already), and the only person trying to make CTCL a thing is you. The rest of us only occasionally use it on the internet for privacy and to describe a specific ‘type’ of undergrad college.

"Type" of school? What's the difference between a CTCL and a LAC not on the list?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

People been saving that 100s of schools are going to close since I was a student in the 90s. All of the schools are still open.

Uh except one "CTCL" (stupid name) has already gone under and doesn't exist anymore. Probably more to come.

Which one?

Marlboro College

Marlboro college had a student population of 150. Not exactly typical.

But regardless, is the ‘failure rate’ of the CTCL schools higher than other schools which are not on the list?

Doubtful! https://www.highereddive.com/news/how-many-colleges-and-universities-have-closed-since-2016/539379/

So you get caught being wrong and start flailing. Embarrassing. Just admit you're wrong and move on from trying to make CTCL a thing.

You’re mixing up your posters (I knew Marlboro closed already), and the only person trying to make CTCL a thing is you. The rest of us only occasionally use it on the internet for privacy and to describe a specific ‘type’ of undergrad college.

"Type" of school? What's the difference between a CTCL and a LAC not on the list?

Oh, I’m not falling into that trap. Nice try.

Without emotion: schools that accept and thrive off of B students.
Teaching focused schools.
Lots of merit aid.
Depending on the school, something unusual — St John’s is nothing like Reed, but both have their own distinctive programs.

Earlham, as one example, fits into all of the above. Wesleyan only fits 1/4 (teaching focus).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

People been saving that 100s of schools are going to close since I was a student in the 90s. All of the schools are still open.

Uh except one "CTCL" (stupid name) has already gone under and doesn't exist anymore. Probably more to come.

Which one?

Marlboro College

Marlboro college had a student population of 150. Not exactly typical.

But regardless, is the ‘failure rate’ of the CTCL schools higher than other schools which are not on the list?

Doubtful! https://www.highereddive.com/news/how-many-colleges-and-universities-have-closed-since-2016/539379/

So you get caught being wrong and start flailing. Embarrassing. Just admit you're wrong and move on from trying to make CTCL a thing.

You’re mixing up your posters (I knew Marlboro closed already), and the only person trying to make CTCL a thing is you. The rest of us only occasionally use it on the internet for privacy and to describe a specific ‘type’ of undergrad college.

"Type" of school? What's the difference between a CTCL and a LAC not on the list?

Oh, I’m not falling into that trap. Nice try.

Without emotion: schools that accept and thrive off of B students.
Teaching focused schools.
Lots of merit aid.
Depending on the school, something unusual — St John’s is nothing like Reed, but both have their own distinctive programs.

Earlham, as one example, fits into all of the above. Wesleyan only fits 1/4 (teaching focus).

I love how you say they "thrive off of B students." You're exactly right. They thrive off of them all right -- by exploiting the hell out of them.

[Anonymous]

I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

There is no hate, there are like 2 people who keep these threads going with their back and forth ridiculousness.

Most people don’t care that much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

I wouldn't use Oberlin in the same sentence as Amherst and Williams. In a few years it'll probably be forced to slum it with the CTCLs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a group of near-bankruptcy schools started a group after Money.com's Best Value List calling themselves the BVL and all their tittering booster parents started boasting about how they went to a BVL, you could expect the same amount of eye-rolling.

There isn't just one person or even just a couple of people who think CTCL is stupid, and the people claiming as such are desperately delusional.

People been saving that 100s of schools are going to close since I was a student in the 90s. All of the schools are still open.

Uh except one "CTCL" (stupid name) has already gone under and doesn't exist anymore. Probably more to come.

Which one?

Marlboro College

Marlboro college had a student population of 150. Not exactly typical.

But regardless, is the ‘failure rate’ of the CTCL schools higher than other schools which are not on the list?

Doubtful! https://www.highereddive.com/news/how-many-colleges-and-universities-have-closed-since-2016/539379/

So you get caught being wrong and start flailing. Embarrassing. Just admit you're wrong and move on from trying to make CTCL a thing.

You’re mixing up your posters (I knew Marlboro closed already), and the only person trying to make CTCL a thing is you. The rest of us only occasionally use it on the internet for privacy and to describe a specific ‘type’ of undergrad college.

"Type" of school? What's the difference between a CTCL and a LAC not on the list?

Oh, I’m not falling into that trap. Nice try.

Without emotion: schools that accept and thrive off of B students.
Teaching focused schools.
Lots of merit aid.
Depending on the school, something unusual — St John’s is nothing like Reed, but both have their own distinctive programs.

Earlham, as one example, fits into all of the above. Wesleyan only fits 1/4 (teaching focus).

I love how you say they "thrive off of B students." You're exactly right. They thrive off of them all right -- by exploiting the hell out of them.

And there’s the rub. Not sure how offering a B student (or — gasp — worse) a quality education at a reasonable rate is ‘exploiting them.’

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

There is no hate, there are like 2 people who keep these threads going with their back and forth ridiculousness.

Most people don’t care that much.

Yet you keep coming back. Glutton for punishment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

Yeah it’s really not that different than, say Field and Madeira vs GDS and Sidwell. If you can afford it you send your kid who needs help with schoolwork to Field, not Wilson.

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I love how you say they "thrive off of B students." You're exactly right. They thrive off of them all right -- by exploiting the hell out of them.

Exploiting them by preparing them to succeed in competitive graduate programs if they so choose? Just terrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

Yeah it’s really not that different than, say Field and Madeira vs GDS and Sidwell. If you can afford it you send your kid who needs help with schoolwork to Field, not Wilson.

Good analogy. If only those privates could be obtained at the price of a Wilson (whereby CTCL's compete with state schools for cost).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

Yeah it’s really not that different than, say Field and Madeira vs GDS and Sidwell. If you can afford it you send your kid who needs help with schoolwork to Field, not Wilson.

Good analogy. If only those privates could be obtained at the price of a Wilson (whereby CTCL's compete with state schools for cost).

DP, but the CTCL schools often offer so much merit aid that they end up cheaper than the state school. The one I went to did for me, and I lived in a state with a crappy state school that gave me a full ride (excluding room and board, which were expensive).

And, not everyone lives in Virginia or Illinois or Michigan.

And, not everyone wants to go to a big public school.

Which is why… to use the dreaded ‘f’ word… fit matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the hate for the CTCL schools. Small colleges where students are known by their professors is a good educational model---that's why the better known and more highly selective schools such as Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, et al. are still going strong. CTCL schools just use that model with the B students. And a lot of those students, were they to go to their local large state university, would not thrive in a more impersonal environment.

Yeah it’s really not that different than, say Field and Madeira vs GDS and Sidwell. If you can afford it you send your kid who needs help with schoolwork to Field, not Wilson.

Good analogy. If only those privates could be obtained at the price of a Wilson (whereby CTCL's compete with state schools for cost).

DP, but the CTCL schools often offer so much merit aid that they end up cheaper than the state school. The one I went to did for me, and I lived in a state with a crappy state school that gave me a full ride (excluding room and board, which were expensive).

And, not everyone lives in Virginia or Illinois or Michigan.

And, not everyone wants to go to a big public school.

Which is why… to use the dreaded ‘f’ word… fit matters.

Did they teach math at your silly CTCL school? How could it have been cheaper than a state school that gave you a full ride, including room and board?