"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:
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I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

[Anonymous]

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Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?

There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

"the constitution is not a suicide pact."

Let's assume there were 100 people in Jefffys pic and assume they all get the virus. Under the 1% death rule, one person will die and 99 will live. Quick using words like "suicide pact" which is wrong and irresponsible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?

There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

"the constitution is not a suicide pact."

Let's assume there were 100 people in Jefffys pic and assume they all get the virus. Under the 1% death rule, one person will die and 99 will live. Quick using words like "suicide pact" which is wrong and irresponsible

time place and manner restrictions on speech are quite well established.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

Widespread free testing, isolation of mild and asymptotic cases, and aggressive contact tracing to test and isolate further.

[Anonymous]

Problem is most of the right wing populists would be complaining about us following the South Korea model of widespread testing, isolation, and follow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

The opposite of what Drumpf is doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

Widespread free testing, isolation of mild and asymptotic cases, and aggressive contact tracing to test and isolate further.

They also used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases.
I am sure those of you on the left would be just fine with the Trump administration doing this.

Also, I can't see this happening in the US.....

Sites like Corona Map generate real-time updates about where current patients are located and inform proactive Koreans focused on protecting themselves.
That people are willing to forgo privacy rights and allow the publication of sensitive information underlines the willingness to pay the digital cost of state surveillance in the name of public safety, said professor Ju Youngkee, who teaches health and data journalism at Hallym University.

According to a survey conducted last month by Seoul National University's Graduate School of Public Health, 78.5 percent of respondents agreed that they would sacrifice the protection of their privacy rights to help prevent a national epidemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

Widespread free testing, isolation of mild and asymptotic cases, and aggressive contact tracing to test and isolate further.

They also used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases.
I am sure those of you on the left would be just fine with the Trump administration doing this.

Also, I can't see this happening in the US.....

Sites like Corona Map generate real-time updates about where current patients are located and inform proactive Koreans focused on protecting themselves.
That people are willing to forgo privacy rights and allow the publication of sensitive information underlines the willingness to pay the digital cost of state surveillance in the name of public safety, said professor Ju Youngkee, who teaches health and data journalism at Hallym University.

According to a survey conducted last month by Seoul National University's Graduate School of Public Health, 78.5 percent of respondents agreed that they would sacrifice the protection of their privacy rights to help prevent a national epidemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376

Do you want to reopen or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

A newspaper in Sacramento? Doctored or stock photos have been used many times by the complicit media in the past. Keep trying Jeffy

Don't you feel stupid now?

Even if you don't feel stupid, you sure do look it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

Widespread free testing, isolation of mild and asymptotic cases, and aggressive contact tracing to test and isolate further.

They also used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases.
I am sure those of you on the left would be just fine with the Trump administration doing this.

Also, I can't see this happening in the US.....

Sites like Corona Map generate real-time updates about where current patients are located and inform proactive Koreans focused on protecting themselves.
That people are willing to forgo privacy rights and allow the publication of sensitive information underlines the willingness to pay the digital cost of state surveillance in the name of public safety, said professor Ju Youngkee, who teaches health and data journalism at Hallym University.

According to a survey conducted last month by Seoul National University's Graduate School of Public Health, 78.5 percent of respondents agreed that they would sacrifice the protection of their privacy rights to help prevent a national epidemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376

Do you want to reopen or not?

We can reopen without becoming more of a surveillance state.
DeBlasio is trying that in NYC. And, it is failing miserably.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

Whatever Korea did, do that.

Elaborate on what Korea did.

Widespread free testing, isolation of mild and asymptotic cases, and aggressive contact tracing to test and isolate further.

They also used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases.
I am sure those of you on the left would be just fine with the Trump administration doing this.

Also, I can't see this happening in the US.....

Sites like Corona Map generate real-time updates about where current patients are located and inform proactive Koreans focused on protecting themselves.
That people are willing to forgo privacy rights and allow the publication of sensitive information underlines the willingness to pay the digital cost of state surveillance in the name of public safety, said professor Ju Youngkee, who teaches health and data journalism at Hallym University.

According to a survey conducted last month by Seoul National University's Graduate School of Public Health, 78.5 percent of respondents agreed that they would sacrifice the protection of their privacy rights to help prevent a national epidemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376

Do you want to reopen or not?

We can reopen without becoming more of a surveillance state.
DeBlasio is trying that in NYC. And, it is failing miserably.

if you can’t tell the difference between 311 snitching and Korea’s sophisticated contact tracing plan, Maybe you should not be commenting here.

[Anonymous]

What exactly was korea's contact tracing plan?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?

There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

"the constitution is not a suicide pact."

Let's assume there were 100 people in Jefffys pic and assume they all get the virus. Under the 1% death rule, one person will die and 99 will live. Quick using words like "suicide pact" which is wrong and irresponsible

Except each of those 100 people could infect others. Let's say each infected three others, so the total infected arising from the protest would be 400. If each of those also infected others the total would continue to grow. So you have more deaths, more hospitalizations, more ICU beds occupied and so on. Just because some idiots decided to act like they were a scene from The Walking Dead.

[jsteele]

For those of you ready to go to Busch Gardens: