Gonzaga Kairos Vandalism

[Anonymous]

Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

Not you. It's like laws against littering. You can tattle, but you can't force them to fine anyone.
No.
Probably, with a huge dose of prosecutorial discretion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the administration's handling of this is not "representative of the school" and that is likely why staff leaked the story to the Post and current parents, parents of alums and alums are upset

WTF? The administration of any school is literally its representative.

Exactly. The way the administration handled this situation is very representative of how they handle things. I am aware of other disciplinary actions that have been taken at Gonzaga, with respect to both students and faculty. The administration always has two overriding concerns: the school's reputation; and the bottom line. Handling matters responsibly, fairly, and respectfully are secondary concerns.

Well, if "the school's reputation" is an overriding concern then I certainly hope that the administration realizes that their approach in this matter has been an EPIC FAIL.

The core members (fewer than 10 is what our sons say) should have been expelled. The boys who observed and didn't stop them, or observed and didn't tell an adult, should experience significant consequences. All involved should be involved in making restitution to the property owners.

As a secondary note, it is appalling that the parents of the core group of boys are obviously trying to keep their sons at the school. I would be so ashamed of my own parenting failure as evidenced by my son's actions that I don't think I could even face my fellow parents at school events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

Not you. It's like laws against littering. You can tattle, but you can't force them to fine anyone.
No.
Probably, with a huge dose of prosecutorial discretion.

So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to find a victim or crime here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

Not you. It's like laws against littering. You can tattle, but you can't force them to fine anyone.
No.
Probably, with a huge dose of prosecutorial discretion.

So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to NOT find a victim or crime here.

fixed it for you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

Not you. It's like laws against littering. You can tattle, but you can't force them to fine anyone.
No.
Probably, with a huge dose of prosecutorial discretion.

So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to find a victim or crime here.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who can sue under this law?
And can they sue if the property is no longer improperly disposed of?
Are minors considered people under the definitions?

Not you. It's like laws against littering. You can tattle, but you can't force them to fine anyone.
No.
Probably, with a huge dose of prosecutorial discretion.

So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to find a victim or crime here.

Yep.

Yes (without the property owner pressing charges). The fridge in the river (but then removed) is the red herring of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they removed it, there is no basis for charges. If you drop something off of your boat, for example, then pick it up, leaving nothing behind (no spill), you aren't "dumping" which is the term for littering in a waterway.

Anyway, the Potomac Conservancy and the Rock Creek Conservancy are sponsoring their annual Extreme Stream Clean Up on April 13. You all might want to look into volunteering.

https://www.rockcreekconservancy.org/who-we-are/highlights/378-rock-creek-extreme-cleanup

I sense a great GZ community volunteer opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to find a victim or crime here.

In your view, does there have to be a legal crime here for expulsion to be appropriate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in reality it’s hard if not impossible to find a victim or crime here.

In your view, does there have to be a legal crime here for expulsion to be appropriate?

If the facts are anywhere near what we've read, expulsions are required in my view. But I don't expect to be informed of such actions by the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Admitting that the justice system doesn't treat people equally due to differences in economic status, ethnicity, or connections isn't conceding anything about whether what happened here was "racist."

I have no idea what you are saying. English please.

The justice system didn't come into play with this incident likely because of who committed the acts and the money/connections they or their families had. It likely would have come into play if the perpetrators were less well-off/connected. You don't need to agree that racism played any role here, in order to say that the prior two sentences are true.

But if you don't think either of the first two sentences are true, many of us would love to hear why.

Re sentence 1: if you are suggesting that some Charles County district attorney was bribed, swayed or intimidated by some rich MonkeyCounty guy, well, then I disagree profoundly. On the other hand, if you are suggesting that the justice system didn't come into play because the families were fortunate enough to remediate the situation privately or civilly, well then yes, I agree with you, and that, as they say, is life.
Re sentence 2: See above - well off, perhaps, connected, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitting that the justice system doesn't treat people equally due to differences in economic status, ethnicity, or connections isn't conceding anything about whether what happened here was "racist."

I have no idea what you are saying. English please.

The justice system didn't come into play with this incident likely because of who committed the acts and the money/connections they or their families had. It likely would have come into play if the perpetrators were less well-off/connected. You don't need to agree that racism played any role here, in order to say that the prior two sentences are true.

But if you don't think either of the first two sentences are true, many of us would love to hear why.

Re sentence 1: if you are suggesting that some Charles County district attorney was bribed, swayed or intimidated by some rich MonkeyCounty guy, well, then I disagree profoundly. On the other hand, if you are suggesting that the justice system didn't come into play because the families were fortunate enough to remediate the situation privately or civilly, well then yes, I agree with you, and that, as they say, is life.
Re sentence 2: See above - well off, perhaps, connected, no.

There are southern md judges that send their kid to Gonzaga.

[Anonymous]

Is killing one pp to know the race of these kids!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is killing one pp to know the race of these kids!

LOL so sad that people have so much time on their hands to obsess about an incident that has nothing to do with them.

[Anonymous]

The president of Gonzaga sent out a letter to parents this past week, which I thought Was quite good. I think if I were a parent there, I would be OK with it. They seem to be owning the event and addressing the broader cultural issues.