Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

Thanks - this is quite helpful.

You don't understand the concept of a median score.



If this is the median, this means they accepted many kids who did not have straight 99s across the board. Just as suspected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Surely not coincidental that exactly now the AEI Director position is being eliminated. This is about closing the achievement gap, plain and simple. The magnet curricula will be watered down, because the current best and brightest are not admitted, but bright kids with potential who haven't had the same access to rigorous academic training (say, at the Cold Spring HGC). In order to allow these less-advantaged kids to grow into a MS magnet track, the curriculum would have to be adjusted to give them a good chance at success. MCPS should just move to an AAP model, be more inclusive and transparent, and be done with it.

No, mcps doubled the applicant pool by identifying kids who should be applying to the magnets. As a result, making admission that much more elusive.

Are you saying that in the past decade, the magnet programs have been wrongfully left out the best and the smartest students. All those students that have brought MCPS glory wouldn't have been selected if not because of the laid-back parents of those real top students? My! MCPS's incompetence is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

Thanks - this is quite helpful.

You don't understand the concept of a median score.



If this is the median, this means they accepted many kids who did not have straight 99s across the board. Just as suspected.

Well, they all had to be pretty darn close, because the median composite was 99, and there's nothing ABOVE 99 to balance out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that in the past decade, the magnet programs have been wrongfully left out the best and the smartest students. All those students that have brought MCPS glory wouldn't have been selected if not because of the laid-back parents of those real top students? My! MCPS's incompetence is beyond me.

We know that they've left out good, smart students who would have been good candidates for the magnet programs. There's no need to be sarcastic about it. Yes, they shouldn't have done that. But now they've identified the problem and are trying to address it. That's a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

Folks at these 'peer group' middle schools should start advocating for mini magnets similar to the home school CSS that was rolled out this year. And kids won't have to decide between humanities/stem programming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

Hard to say. My kid received a B in a writing category on the report card for the first quarter because the teacher did not like 1 creative writing story. Rejected from Eastern. I blame that B for my 99% kid rejection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, mcps doubled the applicant pool by identifying kids who should be applying to the magnets. As a result, making admission that much more elusive.

Unfortunately, they did not stop at that. In addition they also added a peer group criterion in their evaluation, and as a result, admission was even *more* elusive for some kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

No, all you can assume there are too many capable students for the number of slots available. Magnet selection has never been about finding a perfect ranking of the applicants and selecting them solely on that ordering and has never been strictly by test score. If the medians are that high, the selected students had high scores, not across the board perfect scores, but high scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

Hard to say. My kid received a B in a writing category on the report card for the first quarter because the teacher did not like 1 creative writing story. Rejected from Eastern. I blame that B for my 99% kid rejection.

If your kid is assigned to a W school, the B is not the main reason. Everyone knows to take grades with a grain of salt, given how subjective they can be. Don't blame the teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that in the past decade, the magnet programs have been wrongfully left out the best and the smartest students. All those students that have brought MCPS glory wouldn't have been selected if not because of the laid-back parents of those real top students? My! MCPS's incompetence is beyond me.

We know that they've left out good, smart students who would have been good candidates for the magnet programs. There's no need to be sarcastic about it. Yes, they shouldn't have done that. But now they've identified the problem and are trying to address it. That's a good thing.

Cold Spring HGC has 20+ students went to either of the magnets in the past years. It's 0 this year. Are you saying that they were all wrongfully identified for HGC as well, none of them is good enough for middle magnet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

Correct, and you will find find a variety of opinions on the second point (though not from the parents of the many across the board 99%ers denied admission).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, all you can assume there are too many capable students for the number of slots available. Magnet selection has never been about finding a perfect ranking of the applicants and selecting them solely on that ordering and has never been strictly by test score. If the medians are that high, the selected students had high scores, not across the board perfect scores, but high scores.

Is there even a meaningful difference between a kid with a high 98th-percentile score and a kid with a low 99th-percentile score?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that in the past decade, the magnet programs have been wrongfully left out the best and the smartest students. All those students that have brought MCPS glory wouldn't have been selected if not because of the laid-back parents of those real top students? My! MCPS's incompetence is beyond me.

We know that they've left out good, smart students who would have been good candidates for the magnet programs. There's no need to be sarcastic about it. Yes, they shouldn't have done that. But now they've identified the problem and are trying to address it. That's a good thing.

Cold Spring HGC has 20+ students went to either of the magnets in the past years. It's 0 this year. Are you saying that they were all wrongfully identified for HGC as well, none of them is good enough for middle magnet?

It's not 0, for crying out loud!! but definitely fewer than before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can call AEI for median percentiles for pool, and median for accepted students at each program. I was trying to get Cogat scores for an application to another program, but they would not release over the phone.

Median percentiles of accepted students for TPMS are:

V: 97
Q: 99
NV:97
Composite: 99

So can I infer that those straight 99% with high MAP and PARCC scores HGC students are rejected solely because that they have a "peer group" in their home school now? Any logic flaw?

Hard to say. My kid received a B in a writing category on the report card for the first quarter because the teacher did not like 1 creative writing story. Rejected from Eastern. I blame that B for my 99% kid rejection.

If your kid is assigned to a W school, the B is not the main reason. Everyone knows to take grades with a grain of salt, given how subjective they can be. Don't blame the teacher.

If good home school is the case, shouldn't MCPS state so in advance? Why bother to let them take the test if for sure they'll not be considered!