Shooting in Reston

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Desperate? More like a coward that could not face the reality of his actions, an anti-police nut. It is the same as the other shooters who commit suicide after committing terrible crimes. Stop giving him sympathy for his crime. He might not have wanted to "allow" the police to arrest him, or interrogate him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

I actually do find it strange that no one is discussing this aspect of it. The kid tried to commit suicide. That would seem to play a significant factor in all this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

So mentally ill people should not have access to Uber? They will argue that he was supervised; they thought he was in the house. They are not required to have a 24 hour guard posted, watching him.

I agree that his parents should be charged, but the only thing, legally, I think they can get them on is that he had access to their guns.

He should not have access to Uber/Lyft. Stop quoting things that are not there. The parents are responsible for their son. The killer posted a picture with a weapon at a shooting range. Can you access a shooting range and be under age? Why would you take your mentally ill son to a shooting range to teach him to shoot a gun, a long gun at that. They are very responsible for this outcome.

For Uber and the like, you need a cell phone, credit card and an account. I think most people know how Uber works, you request a car from your phone via the app, out in destination, agree on price, etc. then you get text after text re your car, your driver and your experience.

The shooters parents had been told prior to the shooting that the son was sneaking into their house in the middle of the night. The parents were on notice. How was he getting there? Does he have a secret smart phone and secret credit card to have his own secret Uber account? In all likelihood, his parents had not taken his phone away, at least not at night. I know the shooter worked at a pizza delivery place so he did have a part time job but my guess is his parents bought him a phone and it was their under account he used.

1) parents kept that gun In Their house
2) parents had notice of his issues via neighborhood grass cutting problem, his shirts, and his remakrs fro. School
3) shooter already attending a super small school with much support for children with mental and learning issues
4) Frickers has already contacted the parents.
5) complete silence from the parents (but they’re probably keeping vigil at the hospital for their son)

It makes me want to scream all the warning signs.

I guess it can be argued that the boy was showing up at the house and the girl was letting this boy into her house. The Frickers were aware that he had been sneaking into their house on multiple occasions. The mother was aware of the boy's neo nazi ideology.

Aside from telling other people - the school, his parents - to do something, what had these parents done to prevent their daughter from sneaking this kid into their house?

Honestly, I don't think that any of these parents were afraid of violence from this kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

I actually do find it strange that no one is discussing this aspect of it. The kid tried to commit suicide. That would seem to play a significant factor in all this

My guess is he was despondent over the break up, wanted to talk to the girl and was trying to convince her to run away with him or he would kill himself....then the parents walked in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

I actually do find it strange that no one is discussing this aspect of it. The kid tried to commit suicide. That would seem to play a significant factor in all this

Yeah - he did that AFTER shooting the parents, not BEFORE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes.

His FB account gives some sense he was pretty darn unstable. Harder to use the stuff with more cryptic names since it's harder to know it's him, The friend of the daughter claims he made violent statements often.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is pretty clear to me that a large number of Islamic suicide bombers, esp the "lone wolves" who have lately troubled us a lot in the US and Western Europe, are mentally ill young men who happen to have latched on to certain extremist brands of Islamic radicalism, which inspired hatred and violence. No one that I know of suggests that the best way to deal with them is to focus on improved mental health, better ways to deal with troubled young people, etc. Aside from the far lefties who want to focus on US foreign policy as responsible, everyone else agrees that we need to counter the radicalizing organizations, etc.

We have now in the last few months had two Americans killed by a neo nazi in Reston, and one in Charlottesville. Three in our little Commonwealth. Of course at least one of the killer was mentally ill - that is whom radical orgs take advantage of. Maybe he selected these individuals for personal reasons, but that does not mean the radicalization did not add to his belief in using violence, or his desire to own a gun. When will we take NeoNazi radicalization as seriously as we (rightly) take Islamic radicalization?

Again. The boy shot these parents because they were forbidding him to see their daughter.

This wasn't a politically motivated killing. This was domestic violence.

Sorry, reading is hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A school with only 27 teens and 1:3 ratio?

Appears the diagnosis must have been pretty severe, we understand boy was mentally ill, but I wonder what was the daughter's condition to warrant this school?

If both had severe needs, I agree parents should have focussed more on mental stability rather than focus on the Nazi obsession.

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The buzzfeed article says that one Buckley’s concerns was how the excessive amount of time her daughter spent on the phone with her boyfriend made her forget her meds, etc.

Quoted PP here. Right, even if this boy was a liberal who loved Jews, he was still bad news. So the Nazi aspect was a red herring.

I also feel the matter should have been discussed privately between school and both sets of parents without involving unrelated friends like the 18 year old in the article or emailing the contents around. Regular discipline methods like curfew, social shaming and grounding probably did not work here.

Both sets of parents likely underestimated the criticality of the situation. It is a no win situation overall.

I would be very interested in knowing how he got the gun, since given that anything could have set off this boy, not having the gun seems to be the only way to have avoided this tragedy.

He didn't need a gun to get into that house. If it hadn't have been a gun it could have been a baseball bat, a knife, a brick or God only knows what else.

But chances are high that, had the weapon been a baseball bat, knife, a brick or God only knows what else, the parents would still be alive today.

The problem is ACCESS TO GUNS and the sheer number of guns that are floating around in seemingly "normal" homes and communities now.

And for that, the NRA and gun manufacturers have blood on their hands.

I dunno. The Manson family didn't need guns to carry out their horrors.

Imagine if just one of the Manson victims had a gun...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

I actually do find it strange that no one is discussing this aspect of it. The kid tried to commit suicide. That would seem to play a significant factor in all this

My guess is he was despondent over the break up, wanted to talk to the girl and was trying to convince her to run away with him or he would kill himself....then the parents walked in.

This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Being suicidal does not mean someone is not a terrorist. Again, lots of islamic suicide bombers are desperate, suicidal, etc.

Not sure why someone needs to be an SJW to think that being a neoNazi just MIGHT have played a role in this (apart from the motive for the girls mom to not want them dating)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes.

His FB account gives some sense he was pretty darn unstable. Harder to use the stuff with more cryptic names since it's harder to know it's him, The friend of the daughter claims he made violent statements often.

Did he make them in front of his parents? Parents are often the last to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shooting range photo of the mentally ill killer is with a long gun, at least a semi-automatic, aimed at a target of a police officer. A police officer.

Why was he aiming a gun at a police officer as a target? This is very anti-police state stuff and very scary.

So, all those that think this kid just picked this stuff up on his own are delusional.

Aiming a gun at a police officer target? Please, can someone justify shooting a police officer target on here?

I've been to shooting ranges. A legitimate range would not have such a target. Something is off.

[Anonymous]

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?