Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:RPES parent here. I don't care if we go to Wootton or RM, I just don't want Option 2 (where my kids would get split articulated twice).

Are you talking about FG? They would go to RPES, Frost MS then Wootton. So it's just one split (RPES to Frost). Frost going to Wootton is not split.

oops I see that FG would go to crown HS. Yea, you are right. That is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:RPES parent here. I don't care if we go to Wootton or RM, I just don't want Option 2 (where my kids would get split articulated twice).

Are you talking about FG? They would go to RPES, Frost MS then Wootton. So it's just one split (RPES to Frost). Frost going to Wootton is not split.

Under option 2, the rest of RPES (NOT FG) would go to CJMS (split 1 from fallsgrove) and then RMHS (split 2)

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Growing up in the 80's alot of the elementary schools had split articulations. Lake Normandy split between Hoover and CJ, Georgetown Hill also split between Hoover and CJ. I guess the only difference was that we all met up in HS at Churchill. I don't remember it being a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Growing up in the 80's alot of the elementary schools had split articulations. Lake Normandy split between Hoover and CJ, Georgetown Hill also split between Hoover and CJ. I guess the only difference was that we all met up in HS at Churchill. I don't remember it being a big deal.

A single split and a rejoin isn't that terrible. Its the multiple splits and joins and resplits and different mixes and craziness that is destructive.

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Anonymous wrote:RPES parent here. I don't care if we go to Wootton or RM, I just don't want Option 2 (where my kids would get split articulated twice).

Are you talking about FG? They would go to RPES, Frost MS then Wootton. So it's just one split (RPES to Frost). Frost going to Wootton is not split.

Under option 2, the rest of RPES (NOT FG) would go to CJMS (split 1 from fallsgrove) and then RMHS (split 2)

Yep -- and the double split for the "Not FG RPES" is even worse because those 30 "Not FG RPES" kids would be the only ones at CJMS to go to RMHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

I am PP of above- yes, totally agree. Leave Wootton alone. But they won’t.

Everyone supporting leaving Wootton alone, I stand with you as I went to CJMS/WCHS but had so many friends go to Wootton.

Anyway as a resident of Wayside now who is across the street from the proposed border, I want to stay at WCHS.

Wootton folks, if you can sign this petition it can’t hurt your case the less likely they are to shift Churchill to Wootton the less likely they are to shift schools from Wootton to elsewhere.

https://chng.it/SNLndcftLR

I will not be signing that. You guys are nothing but a bunch of Karens. You talk about your “community” as if you’re an indigenous tribe or something. Your kids will be fine and will attend a less crowded school, which directly helps all the concerns listed on the petition.

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

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Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

I am PP of above- yes, totally agree. Leave Wootton alone. But they won’t.

Everyone supporting leaving Wootton alone, I stand with you as I went to CJMS/WCHS but had so many friends go to Wootton.

Anyway as a resident of Wayside now who is across the street from the proposed border, I want to stay at WCHS.

Wootton folks, if you can sign this petition it can’t hurt your case the less likely they are to shift Churchill to Wootton the less likely they are to shift schools from Wootton to elsewhere.

https://chng.it/SNLndcftLR

I will not be signing that. You guys are nothing but a bunch of Karens. You talk about your “community” as if you’re an indigenous tribe or something. Your kids will be fine and will attend a less crowded school, which directly helps all the concerns listed on the petition.

Nah, this Karen is sending her kids to private. I've had enough of this baloney.

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Anonymous wrote:RPES parent here. I don't care if we go to Wootton or RM, I just don't want Option 2 (where my kids would get split articulated twice).

Are you talking about FG? They would go to RPES, Frost MS then Wootton. So it's just one split (RPES to Frost). Frost going to Wootton is not split.

Under option 2, the rest of RPES (NOT FG) would go to CJMS (split 1 from fallsgrove) and then RMHS (split 2)

Yep -- and the double split for the "Not FG RPES" is even worse because those 30 "Not FG RPES" kids would be the only ones at CJMS to go to RMHS.

That's the general message. Kids at RPES will be split into two groups after 5th grade. The southern branch of 30 kids will join 300 in their grade at CJMS only to lose the same 300 and join a DIFFERENT 470 students in their grade at RMHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving Wayside out of Churchill helps with utilization. How else will they get Churchill below 100%?

It’s a BS utilization at Churchill. They’ve reduced capacity by 100 seats from when it first opened. What happened did the school shrink? Churchill has just had a period of a few years with higher enrollment which was consistently in lower figures and never had a portable until a year or two I believe. Kids there have stated it’s not crowded aside from the portable there’s no evidence to that.

Churchill parent here. There's no problem with Churchill being overcapacity. Yes, there are a couple of portables and I'm sure those teachers aren't excited about them. But I've never felt Churchill had too many kids generally. It's not hurting education or the social environment. And there's not much new construction in this area, so I wouldn't expect the problem to become worse in the next decade.

I have always wondered, though, why there are kids sooo far west that come to Churchill. Those are largely Wayside kids, and some Potomac kids. So yes, to drive from Wayside ES to Wootton HS, it may be about the same distance as going to from Wayside ES to Churchill HS. But a huge part of that geography is far closer to Wootton than to Churchill. Same with the Northern part of the Potomac ES boundaries. The culprit is that they're not looking at ES boundaries. I'd be interested in knowing the *average* student's bus time to both high schools-- there is certainly some house that is closer to Churchill and some house that is closer to Wootton. In sum, I think, capacity-wise, it would be fine for Wayside to continue to go to Churchill. But I think the quality of life for the average Wayside kid might improve by going to the closer school.

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Wayside going to Wootton should be the least controversial decision in entire boundary change. Wayside going to Wootton makes perfect sense. Folks who are arguing about leave this school or that school are missing the point. Boundaries will change when we have 2-3 near HS a same time. We can't leave schools.

No boundary will cover all bases, but positive outweighs negative in moving Wayside to Woottoon.

In regards to the previous commens about Wayside and Wootton, I think one of the things that doesn't look like is being taken into account these initial options is the community or neighborhood feel.

Parts of the area that go to Wayside are borderline Wootton.

But the school itself and likely the majority of the area is right around the corner from the Potomac Community Center. When my kids had activities at Wayside it took me less then five minutes, if even that, to get from Wayside ES to the community center where I hung around there while they were at the activity.

So it's likely that families in that area do activities more in the Potomac area and with most of the students going to Churchill.

One benefit of activities is that it does give my kids opportunities to interact with kids from other areas where they would likely never have.

But one of the things we hoped to get out of activities is for our kids to interact with their classmates and neighbors outside of school. That helps build the camaraderie and friendships in school.

It's likewise for the northwestern area of Wootton near the Gaithersburg/North Potomac/Rockville divide. Gaithersburg and Rockville have their own separate organizations. Such as for baseball UMAC (Uppper Montgomery Baseball Club) vs RBBA (Rockville Baseball Association), MSI (Montgomery Soccer Inc) vs SAM (Soccer Association of Maryland), Gaithersburg City rec sports and camps vs Rockville City rec sports and camps. For our family we're at the point where we recognize a lot of the other families in the leagues on other teams and makes the area seem a lot smaller because you see them around and helps with the community feel. And the leagues and organizations in the other city seems like a while another world to us.

So in some of the proposals, they have students attending a school in one city, where most of the students probably do activities in a particular area. But then move a subset of the students from that school into another area, where the majority of students from that area are involved in other organizations for the same type of activities.

They should at the very least keep students from the same elementary school together.

Agreed re: keeping elementary kids together, but the problem is the elementary boundaries are all messed up. Thry need to restart at the foundation by redoing elementary boundaries and that will fix most of the split articulation issues at the middle and high school labels.

And why has no one mentioned that Tobytown students should go to Potomac ES and Churchill instead of Travilah and Wootton.

I suppose because a) many of us have never heard of Tobytown, and b) they're not changing ES boundaries.

Having looked it up and as a Churhchill parent, though, I'd welcome anything that would bring more income diversity to the school. I was disappointed that they divided the two different boundary studies in a way that Churchill couldn't bring in a few clusters to the East that would bring more diversity (sets of apartments here and there). Though the same issue of not changing ES boundaries would probably have arisen.

For those that don't know, Tobeytown is one of the historically Black communities in Montgomery County.

Churchill already has Scotland.

Tobeytown could potentially go to QO or Northwest too.

But they have a bus service, Ride On bus route 301, that goes down Travilah Road through the current Wootton school district. There was an article or posts not too long ago talking about how it took a long time for them to get a route to service their community too.

I’m sure you didn’t intend to, but the way this is written is horrible. Churchill “has” Scotland, so they can’t have another black community? What?!

All neighborhoods should be zoned based on location, not whether they are a historically black!

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

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Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

I am PP of above- yes, totally agree. Leave Wootton alone. But they won’t.

Everyone supporting leaving Wootton alone, I stand with you as I went to CJMS/WCHS but had so many friends go to Wootton.

Anyway as a resident of Wayside now who is across the street from the proposed border, I want to stay at WCHS.

Wootton folks, if you can sign this petition it can’t hurt your case the less likely they are to shift Churchill to Wootton the less likely they are to shift schools from Wootton to elsewhere.

https://chng.it/SNLndcftLR

I will not be signing that. You guys are nothing but a bunch of Karens. You talk about your “community” as if you’re an indigenous tribe or something. Your kids will be fine and will attend a less crowded school, which directly helps all the concerns listed on the petition.

DP. I'm so confused by this sentence: "Churchill’s current overcapacity is minor and, according to MCPS’s own projections, will resolve naturally in the coming years." That's just false. MCPS's own projections show Churchill ending up at 117%, 335 students over capacity.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XFy9zZzp1muWHlUraVzOkRRL_ZGPLSWq/view

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Anonymous wrote:I think 4 is the most reasonable/non drastic scenario.

Option 4 is one of the more drastic options after option 3.
Option 1 followed by option 2 seems better for most.

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If current walkers in Kentlands would be bused to Crown, and potential walkers in Rio would be bused away from Crown, where does each option send kids who actually live in Crown? Because busing them away from their new high school makes just as much sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think 4 is the most reasonable/non drastic scenario.

Option 4 is one of the more drastic options after option 3.
Option 1 followed by option 2 seems better for most.

Look above. Option 2 is terrible for some. If something like that gets selected, I expect the entire board, including the SMOB, to resign

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What's going on with Lakewood ES in option 4?

First, it gets divided into two middle schools, Frost and Hoover, which seems pretty wild since Lakewood is right by Frost. Hoover appears to be a significantly longer distance for most of the kids being moved there.

Second, it gets divided into two high schools, Wootton and Crown, which also seems pretty wild since Lakewood is also right by Wootton. And it appears the kids being moved would have a similar or longer drive to Crown compared to Wootton.

And the Lakewood group that gets sent to Hoover for middle is not the same as the Lakewood group that gets sent to Crown for high school, so there are basically two different pieces of Lakewood being broken off at two different points of time. That seems less than ideal.

Shouldn't Lakewood be straightforward - Frost then Wootton? The schools are all right next to each other and don't have overcrowding issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to learn mapping skills

Wayside to Wootton vs Stonemill to Wooton

Stonemill has Crown in two options.