School Board Forum on "Boundary and Capacity"

[Anonymous]

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

And here she goes off the deep end. Pretty soon she’s going to start railing against non native speakers again.

You’re back from the other thread!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

And here she goes off the deep end. Pretty soon she’s going to start railing against non native speakers again.

I was certainly not the previous poster that you refer to and I am not sure how anyone sane could interpret those potential changes listed above as "going off the deep end".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

And here she goes off the deep end. Pretty soon she’s going to start railing against non native speakers again.

I was certainly not the previous poster that you refer to and I am not sure how anyone sane could interpret those potential changes listed above as "going off the deep end".

I agree with you. It's not going off the deep end. Why is west springfield an 8 and Lewis a 3 when they are literally right next to each other. I am going to say it why can't they even it out and both schools be 5. I am sure I will piss off everyone by saying that but so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

You're essentially admitting that FCPS's best schools are only excellent because they're able to segregate the poor and low-achieving kids away to other buildings; such that if mass mixing were to occur, FCPS would cease to be great. Regardless of the politics and whatnot, that's not a good defense of our school system. FCPS is great not because it has been able to maintain high reputations for roughly half of it's pyramids through segregation, but because it diligently funds even the poorest schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

The CIP projections are always - ALWAYS - wrong. They're a political tool to achieve whatever the entrenched bureaucracy wants to happen. Otherwise, why did they expand Herndon by 1000 seats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

The CIP projections are always - ALWAYS - wrong. They're a political tool to achieve whatever the entrenched bureaucracy wants to happen. Otherwise, why did they expand Herndon by 1000 seats?

They never turn out to be completely accurate, but the margin of error varies. Sometimes they are fairly close.

However, if you think the five-year Herndon projections were driven by politics, rather than a sound demographic analysis, that probably makes it more likely rather than less likely that they'll proceed to redistrict, since you're implying the "entrenched bureaucrats" have already made a decision.

And they expanded Herndon because the prevailing sentiment in FCPS has been that they should expand every school that's coming up for a renovation, whether that particular school needs the seats. It's how Langley ended up with 2370 seats when its enrollment had been around or slightly below 2000 for years, and it's why they are now planning to expand Dranesville ES in Herndon to 1000 seats even though there's no indication its base enrollment will exceed 600. Either way, they are now projecting Herndon at 28% below capacity in five years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m no fan of the SB, but I wonder, is there any scenario in which you would ever accept boundary changes for your schools?

No one has to be accepting of boundary changes. Once in awhile they happen and that’s that.
Wasn’t the Langley boundary changed last year, along with some elementary schools in another pyramid?
People will enroll their children in the assigned government school or they won’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

They specifically spoke of adjusting schools based on demographics to achieve some ideal mix. You can’t do that without contortions considering that ethnic groups and incomes are not evenly distributed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

And the word “bussing” was the term *they* used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

And here she goes off the deep end. Pretty soon she’s going to start railing against non native speakers again.

I was certainly not the previous poster that you refer to and I am not sure how anyone sane could interpret those potential changes listed above as "going off the deep end".

I agree with you. It's not going off the deep end. Why is west springfield an 8 and Lewis a 3 when they are literally right next to each other. I am going to say it why can't they even it out and both schools be 5. I am sure I will piss off everyone by saying that but so be it.

So, you hate excellence and would rather all schools be mediocre.

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

Funny how you are celebrating a 5-year projection buried in a staff generated CIP (that is likely wrong, given the sharp decrease of HH students), and projecting that out to a de facto win for your cause. You are a long way from measuring the drapes on this, and it’d be a bumpy road to say the least.

And, sure, maybe non-great falls wouldn’t care about a Forestville redistricting, but they would care about a county wide redistricting, which is what McDaniel is discussing. The great falls protest would be due to kids being redistricted, but also property value hits. And, before you protest that property value doesn’t matter, I’m just telling you what would happen, whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

The CIP projections are always - ALWAYS - wrong. They're a political tool to achieve whatever the entrenched bureaucracy wants to happen. Otherwise, why did they expand Herndon by 1000 seats?

They never turn out to be completely accurate, but the margin of error varies. Sometimes they are fairly close.

However, if you think the five-year Herndon projections were driven by politics, rather than a sound demographic analysis, that probably makes it more likely rather than less likely that they'll proceed to redistrict, since you're implying the "entrenched bureaucrats" have already made a decision.

And they expanded Herndon because the prevailing sentiment in FCPS has been that they should expand every school that's coming up for a renovation, whether that particular school needs the seats. It's how Langley ended up with 2370 seats when its enrollment had been around or slightly below 2000 for years, and it's why they are now planning to expand Dranesville ES in Herndon to 1000 seats even though there's no indication its base enrollment will exceed 600. Either way, they are now projecting Herndon at 28% below capacity in five years.

1,000 seats for an elementary school is nuts.