School Board Forum on "Boundary and Capacity"

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

Funny how you are celebrating a 5-year projection buried in a staff generated CIP (that is likely wrong, given the sharp decrease of HH students), and projecting that out to a de facto win for your cause. You are a long way from measuring the drapes on this, and it’d be a bumpy road to say the least.

And, sure, maybe non-great falls wouldn’t care about a Forestville redistricting, but they would care about a county wide redistricting, which is what McDaniel is discussing. The great falls protest would be due to kids being redistricted, but also property value hits. And, before you protest that property value doesn’t matter, I’m just telling you what would happen, whether you like it or not.

I wouldn't say the 5-year projection for Herndon is "buried" any more than other information in the CIP, which is FCPS's primary planning document when it comes to facilities and capital expenditures. It's reflected in multiple places in the document. And, while the CIP is prepared by the staff, it is approved by the School Board.

I did not treat this as a "de facto win" for any "cause." You previously implied that the projections resulting in Herndon being 28% below capacity by 2028 had been doctored by FCPS "bureaucrats." While I don't necessarily agree with that assertion, I pointed out that, if that were the case, it would increase rather than decrease the likelihood of a boundary change since you clearly implied the "fix" was already in. Perhaps you did not consider the implications of your own argument before posting.

Looking at the projections more broadly, FCPS has several schools in eastern Fairfax (McLean, Marshall) that are projected to remain overcrowded and that rely on temporary classrooms (modulars, trailers), Langley projected to be at roughly full capacity, Herndon sitting at 28% below capacity, and numerous neighborhoods in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon than to Langley. Does the School Board not have a fiduciary obligation to students (if not a legal obligation to taxpayers) to consider the efficient use of its facilities and ongoing transportation costs?

Finally, if the current School Board gets a staff recommendation over the coming years to reassign part of Great Falls to Herndon, I can't imagine that Robyn Lady, Jimmy Bierman, or any other local politician is going to lose much sleep if some folks in Great Falls are upset (and standing up to Great Falls might even enhance their standing were they were to run for higher office). But, any such decisions should be made based on what's in the best interests of FCPS as a whole, not what's politically expedient.

DP. Could you link to exactly where any of this speculation is actually discussed by the SB? Because from reading this thread, it seems very clear that you are spinning yourself up in imagining this completely hypothetical situation. IOW, it seems like you're the only person who cares so very deeply about this little corner of FCPS and I'd really love to know why that is. And also, where your OWN kids attend school.

Ha, I picture her as Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, scribbling on some empty window somewhere. Except sociology, not economics, of course.

Or some conspiracy theorist with an evidence board and red string connecting all the nutty parts of her imagination, with Langley HS at the very center.

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

What school do your kids go to? I'd like to let you know where they should be going instead.

That redistricting advocate is responsible for a couple hundred of the posts on this thread. She just repeats the same talking points over and over again, using almost the exact same language. I think she just wants to give the impression that there are a lot of people who support her views, when, in reality, she’s in the distinct minority in her quest to equalize the schools, no matter the cost.

Her world is one where individuals are measured by skin color and pocketbook, nothing else.

You're kind of a tool, and you repeat yourself more consistently than anyone else who has been posting.

When the argument is unassailable, attack the person, right?

Everything I posted is accurate. Your views are wildly unpopular, and you only care about skin color and how much money someone has, not the content of her character.

Own it. This is your worldview.

Yours is honestly a ridiculous argument that stems primarily from a desire to avoid being zoned for a school with more poor and Hispanic kids than your own. Trying to flip the script is kind of a classic move, but in your case it’s entirely unconvincing.

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

Funny how you are celebrating a 5-year projection buried in a staff generated CIP (that is likely wrong, given the sharp decrease of HH students), and projecting that out to a de facto win for your cause. You are a long way from measuring the drapes on this, and it’d be a bumpy road to say the least.

And, sure, maybe non-great falls wouldn’t care about a Forestville redistricting, but they would care about a county wide redistricting, which is what McDaniel is discussing. The great falls protest would be due to kids being redistricted, but also property value hits. And, before you protest that property value doesn’t matter, I’m just telling you what would happen, whether you like it or not.

I wouldn't say the 5-year projection for Herndon is "buried" any more than other information in the CIP, which is FCPS's primary planning document when it comes to facilities and capital expenditures. It's reflected in multiple places in the document. And, while the CIP is prepared by the staff, it is approved by the School Board.

I did not treat this as a "de facto win" for any "cause." You previously implied that the projections resulting in Herndon being 28% below capacity by 2028 had been doctored by FCPS "bureaucrats." While I don't necessarily agree with that assertion, I pointed out that, if that were the case, it would increase rather than decrease the likelihood of a boundary change since you clearly implied the "fix" was already in. Perhaps you did not consider the implications of your own argument before posting.

Looking at the projections more broadly, FCPS has several schools in eastern Fairfax (McLean, Marshall) that are projected to remain overcrowded and that rely on temporary classrooms (modulars, trailers), Langley projected to be at roughly full capacity, Herndon sitting at 28% below capacity, and numerous neighborhoods in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon than to Langley. Does the School Board not have a fiduciary obligation to students (if not a legal obligation to taxpayers) to consider the efficient use of its facilities and ongoing transportation costs?

Finally, if the current School Board gets a staff recommendation over the coming years to reassign part of Great Falls to Herndon, I can't imagine that Robyn Lady, Jimmy Bierman, or any other local politician is going to lose much sleep if some folks in Great Falls are upset (and standing up to Great Falls might even enhance their standing were they were to run for higher office). But, any such decisions should be made based on what's in the best interests of FCPS as a whole, not what's politically expedient.

DP. Could you link to exactly where any of this speculation is actually discussed by the SB? Because from reading this thread, it seems very clear that you are spinning yourself up in imagining this completely hypothetical situation. IOW, it seems like you're the only person who cares so very deeply about this little corner of FCPS and I'd really love to know why that is. And also, where your OWN kids attend school.

Ha, I picture her as Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, scribbling on some empty window somewhere. Except sociology, not economics, of course.

Or some conspiracy theorist with an evidence board and red string connecting all the nutty parts of her imagination, with Langley HS at the very center.

😂

To the contrary, Langley is just one piece of a puzzle, or one part of a potential solution, although you act as if it’s the center of the universe.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

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This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This is her only talking point. Over under in how many times she’s parroted herself on this board? I’d say at least three dozen times.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This thread has proven to be very entertaining, especially counting how many times you've repeated yourself. Sounds like an issue that the BOS needs to resolve with the developers who keep building in crowded areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This is her only talking point. Over under in how many times she’s parroted herself on this board? I’d say at least three dozen times.

You ask for further elaboration, and then complain it’s repetitive? Maybe you’re just so closed-minded that you’re incapable of digesting the obvious.

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

Yawn, we’ve dismantled all of this so many times in the previous hundreds of posts on this thread, I grow weary of destroying your arguments, just to have you regurgitate them. Quantity does not equal quantity.

To frame this debate though, you are just one aggravating poster on a barely read obscure discussion board. In the real world, there are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of real! Fairfax county residents that would line up against a county wide redistricting. Certainly thousands of great falls residents would fight tooth and nail, but really no one wants their kids to move school districts.

You have ambitious dreams to drive Fairfax County into a mediocre-at-best, lowest common denominator school district, I will give you that. But man, if that ever came to fruition, the county as a whole would have significant regrets, with no way to put the cat back in the bag. I’d say be careful what you wish for, but we all know you’re blinded by this goal.

Oh, and one last point, we still haven’t forgotten your broadside racist screed against non native English speakers. Remember that hypocritical rant?

Sorry, snowflake, but the projections in the latest CIP basically make the case for moving the western part of Langley to Herndon. If you have a problem with the new projections, take them up with FCPS staff, not posters here.

It would be interesting to see "thousands" of Great Falls residents protest about their kids being assigned to a renovated, expanded school 3-4 miles away rather than to one over 10 miles away. It would be the ultimate Karen convention, and the ridicule - both local and national - would be non-stop. And it's not like many people in other parts of the county are going to take up your cause; to the contrary, it would be welcome by some and a matter of little to no concern to others.

Funny how you are celebrating a 5-year projection buried in a staff generated CIP (that is likely wrong, given the sharp decrease of HH students), and projecting that out to a de facto win for your cause. You are a long way from measuring the drapes on this, and it’d be a bumpy road to say the least.

And, sure, maybe non-great falls wouldn’t care about a Forestville redistricting, but they would care about a county wide redistricting, which is what McDaniel is discussing. The great falls protest would be due to kids being redistricted, but also property value hits. And, before you protest that property value doesn’t matter, I’m just telling you what would happen, whether you like it or not.

I wouldn't say the 5-year projection for Herndon is "buried" any more than other information in the CIP, which is FCPS's primary planning document when it comes to facilities and capital expenditures. It's reflected in multiple places in the document. And, while the CIP is prepared by the staff, it is approved by the School Board.

I did not treat this as a "de facto win" for any "cause." You previously implied that the projections resulting in Herndon being 28% below capacity by 2028 had been doctored by FCPS "bureaucrats." While I don't necessarily agree with that assertion, I pointed out that, if that were the case, it would increase rather than decrease the likelihood of a boundary change since you clearly implied the "fix" was already in. Perhaps you did not consider the implications of your own argument before posting.

Looking at the projections more broadly, FCPS has several schools in eastern Fairfax (McLean, Marshall) that are projected to remain overcrowded and that rely on temporary classrooms (modulars, trailers), Langley projected to be at roughly full capacity, Herndon sitting at 28% below capacity, and numerous neighborhoods in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon than to Langley. Does the School Board not have a fiduciary obligation to students (if not a legal obligation to taxpayers) to consider the efficient use of its facilities and ongoing transportation costs?

Finally, if the current School Board gets a staff recommendation over the coming years to reassign part of Great Falls to Herndon, I can't imagine that Robyn Lady, Jimmy Bierman, or any other local politician is going to lose much sleep if some folks in Great Falls are upset (and standing up to Great Falls might even enhance their standing were they were to run for higher office). But, any such decisions should be made based on what's in the best interests of FCPS as a whole, not what's politically expedient.

DP. Could you link to exactly where any of this speculation is actually discussed by the SB? Because from reading this thread, it seems very clear that you are spinning yourself up in imagining this completely hypothetical situation. IOW, it seems like you're the only person who cares so very deeply about this little corner of FCPS and I'd really love to know why that is. And also, where your OWN kids attend school.

Ha, I picture her as Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, scribbling on some empty window somewhere. Except sociology, not economics, of course.

Or some conspiracy theorist with an evidence board and red string connecting all the nutty parts of her imagination, with Langley HS at the very center.

😂

To the contrary, Langley is just one piece of a puzzle, or one part of a potential solution, although you act as if it’s the center of the universe.

DP. Good grief! Of course Langley isn't the center of the universe! Ironically, it's only you who is so fixated on this school that it seems YOU place it at the center of the universe. Or the center of your evidence board.

What's funny is that neither Langley nor Herndon are overcrowded. They're both doing fine. There are plenty of ACTUAL serious overcrowding issues within FCPS right now. Yet you simply can't bear the thought that your "brilliant plan" won't come to fruition. Meanwhile, no one else cares. Because there's no reason to care. Among rational people.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This thread has proven to be very entertaining, especially counting how many times you've repeated yourself. Sounds like an issue that the BOS needs to resolve with the developers who keep building in crowded areas.

It’s an issue that both the BOS and FCPS need to address, but you can’t opt out of being part of FCPS or the county just because you don’t like how it may end up affecting Langley as well.

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This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This is her only talking point. Over under in how many times she’s parroted herself on this board? I’d say at least three dozen times.

You ask for further elaboration, and then complain it’s repetitive? Maybe you’re just so closed-minded that you’re incapable of digesting the obvious.

Those are two different posters ^^ (I'm the one who was asking for clarification re: temporary classrooms.) Tell us, which of these schools do your kids attend?

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This thread has proven to be very entertaining, especially counting how many times you've repeated yourself. Sounds like an issue that the BOS needs to resolve with the developers who keep building in crowded areas.

It’s an issue that both the BOS and FCPS need to address, but you can’t opt out of being part of FCPS or the county just because you don’t like how it may end up affecting Langley as well.

PP here - I never said anything of the sort. You're confusing posters again. What is entertaining is your insistence that any of your plans will ever come about. Especially considering this is not a pressing matter (or a matter at all) for the SB. Just you.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This thread has proven to be very entertaining, especially counting how many times you've repeated yourself. Sounds like an issue that the BOS needs to resolve with the developers who keep building in crowded areas.

It’s an issue that both the BOS and FCPS need to address, but you can’t opt out of being part of FCPS or the county just because you don’t like how it may end up affecting Langley as well.

PP here - I never said anything of the sort. You're confusing posters again. What is entertaining is your insistence that any of your plans will ever come about. Especially considering this is not a pressing matter (or a matter at all) for the SB. Just you.

It's exactly how you think, sweetheart, so no posters have been confused here. And boundaries and overcrowding are definitely on the radar of the new Board, which is why they took up the forum topic on updating the policy earlier this month. As already noted, several Board members are now calling for a wider review of current boundaries.

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No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

Are you one of these people?

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/jun/25/great-falls-residents-fired-school-issues/

Not very nice.

“Busing is not a consideration.” You gotta love the chutzpah. They absolutely were considering it and the proof is in the work sessions, which were recorded.

None of the following would be considered "bussing":

Sending Great Falls kids to Herndon

Sending some West Potomac kids to Mt. Vernon

Sending some West Springfield kids to Lewis

These are all schools that have adjoining boundaries. The last two should have been done on enrollment and capacity alone.

Has or is the School Board proposing to bus kids past multiple other schools just to achieve some desired demographic breakdown? That would be "bussing".

+1. And going by FCPS projections sending Great Falls kids to Herndon in the not-too-distant future also should be done based on enrollment and capacity alone.

What school do your kids go to? I'd like to let you know where they should be going instead.

That redistricting advocate is responsible for a couple hundred of the posts on this thread. She just repeats the same talking points over and over again, using almost the exact same language. I think she just wants to give the impression that there are a lot of people who support her views, when, in reality, she’s in the distinct minority in her quest to equalize the schools, no matter the cost.

Her world is one where individuals are measured by skin color and pocketbook, nothing else.

You're kind of a tool, and you repeat yourself more consistently than anyone else who has been posting.

When the argument is unassailable, attack the person, right?

Everything I posted is accurate. Your views are wildly unpopular, and you only care about skin color and how much money someone has, not the content of her character.

Own it. This is your worldview.

Yours is honestly a ridiculous argument that stems primarily from a desire to avoid being zoned for a school with more poor and Hispanic kids than your own. Trying to flip the script is kind of a classic move, but in your case it’s entirely unconvincing.

Flip the script, how? You care about moving Forestville to Herndon high for skin color and net worth reasons. You’ve argued it time and time again. Just own it. Own your theories. Don’t pretend that they aren’t yours. Don’t shy away from your most fervent, utmost beliefs. You believe it so much that you want to redistrict thousands of kids based on a 2029 projection line item on page 156 of a 400 page document that probably gets proofread once, and literally change these kids’ lives so that a FARM number can be a little different and the Herndon skin color average can be a little lighter.

I care about my kids and their future. That’s it. Full stop. I don’t believe random message board lady should have any say in how I raise my kids, especially because I don’t subscribe to a world view where we measure kids by how “Hispanic” or “poor” they are (literally quoting you above). You obviously do, I get that about you, but I don’t.

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This entire flamewar of a thread is terrible, and I can’t decide if it’s more depressing if people actually believe what they’re posting or if they are knowingly trolling. I suspect we have a mix of the two here.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This is her only talking point. Over under in how many times she’s parroted herself on this board? I’d say at least three dozen times.

You ask for further elaboration, and then complain it’s repetitive? Maybe you’re just so closed-minded that you’re incapable of digesting the obvious.

Yep sorry, you’re responding to multiple posters. I’m very open minded, but you keep trying to cram the same fact into the thread over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:Please fix the school boundaries in and around 20171. Thank you.

+1

This is the most urgent boundary crisis in the county.

Agree. Consistently ignored.

Unfortunately, that’s because some people fear a domino effect in their own district.

Probably true, but people might be more accepting when there are serious, long-term overcapacity issues that need to be addressed. Chantilly has been overcapacity for a decade. The Herndon/Langley discussion doesn't make any sense because both schools are under capacity, and it seems like people think there is some other motive for people pushing that agenda.

They want to soak the rich Forestville families - demonstrated extensively on this thread.

Agreed that H/L doesn’t make any sense, unless you are a paternalistic sociologist with no economics sense.

Forestville is a few miles from Herndon and 10-12 miles from Langley. In the mid-90s it got moved to Langley because Herndon was overcrowded. Now Langley is approaching full capacity and Herndon has space again. Not a hard call.

Not a hard call assumes that moving kids to different school pyramids comes without cost. That is a very wrong assumption.

It’s a pretty simple minded view. Moving all Forestville kids to Herndon would put Herndon close to 100% and drop Langley to around 75%, so you would actually make the supposed capacity issue worse. It’s quite a bit more complicated even from a numbers perspective.

Except they could also move other areas to Langley that are closer to Langley than Forestville, which would put Langley well above 75%. But we get it - you'd prefer to continue having kids at some schools in temporary classrooms so that kids who live 10-12 miles from Langley can continue to go there with no disruption.

DP. What are you talking about? McLean? Haven't a bunch of McLean students been redistricted to Langley - and probably more to come? You are making up issues to blame on Langley. Very, very peculiar.

Both Marshall and McLean have temporary classrooms and according to FCPS could between them pick up hundreds more kids given all the new construction. Just today there was an article about a new townhouse complex being proposed off Idylwood Road in the Marshall district. And McLean remains well over capacity even with most of the last boundary change already phased in.

Certainly one solution is to move some more kids from those schools to Langley and then move part of Langley to Herndon, which is projected to be 28% below capacity in five years.

This thread has proven to be very entertaining, especially counting how many times you've repeated yourself. Sounds like an issue that the BOS needs to resolve with the developers who keep building in crowded areas.

It’s an issue that both the BOS and FCPS need to address, but you can’t opt out of being part of FCPS or the county just because you don’t like how it may end up affecting Langley as well.

PP here - I never said anything of the sort. You're confusing posters again. What is entertaining is your insistence that any of your plans will ever come about. Especially considering this is not a pressing matter (or a matter at all) for the SB. Just you.

It's exactly how you think, sweetheart, so no posters have been confused here. And boundaries and overcrowding are definitely on the radar of the new Board, which is why they took up the forum topic on updating the policy earlier this month. As already noted, several Board members are now calling for a wider review of current boundaries.

Huh? I'm the PP and never said I would "opt out of being part of FCPS or the county, blah blah blah." You're definitely confused. Anyhow, I eagerly await this boundary discussion you insist is imminent!