Petition: Later MCPS school start times

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Yes, the science that all students need sleep?

What about the science that says teachers need to use the restroom more than once day? Or that we need more than 30 seconds per student of planning time per day?

That's a different petition.

[Anonymous]

For every survey mcps puts out, families should start a new petition of their concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past

Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.

My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?

Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.

Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.

I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past

Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.

My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?

Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

Same reason that's been discussed throughout this discussion: adolescents have a time shifted circadian rhythm that makes it difficult for them to fall asleep as early as younger kids and parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Yes, the science that all students need sleep?

What about the science that says teachers need to use the restroom more than once day? Or that we need more than 30 seconds per student of planning time per day?

Yes, let’s talk about that science. I tried to make it to the bathroom 3 times today. By the time I finally found an empty stall between classes 3 hours later, I was ready to burst. Science would tell us this is really bad for my bladder.

Oh my bladder is shot. It’s a real issue. Some teachers in my building resort to send kids out to find any adult they can to watch their class when they are desperate because we don’t have time between classes - or the line to wait for the closest staff bathroom is too long to get back to class before the bell. I’m always happy to watch someone’s class but I wish we had better bathroom access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past

Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.

My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?

Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

Same reason that's been discussed throughout this discussion: adolescents have a time shifted circadian rhythm that makes it difficult for them to fall asleep as early as younger kids and parents.

Stop making excuses for your refusal to parent.

[Anonymous]

LOL.
Seems that your kid slept too much.
Many kids falls asleep in class during the day.

Anonymous wrote:
Same reason that's been discussed throughout this discussion: adolescents have a time shifted circadian rhythm that makes it difficult for them to fall asleep as early as younger kids and parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.

Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.

I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past

Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.

My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?

Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

This is so insightful! You should definitely post it 75 more times in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Here's some anecdotal evidence:
I teach middle school (6,7,8) and several of my students tell me they are on their phones all night and regularly go to sleep at 1-2 am, even my youngest students. Just a reminder to parents: if you allow your children to have a mobile device on their nightstand, they will most likely not make mature decisions (duh).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Answer: adults' inability to create a built environment where it is possible for most kids to get themselves to and from school safely without school bus transportation or parent taxi service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.

Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.

Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.

I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.

You seem to make excuses for your kids rather than parenting. We take the electronics and tell the to shower and bed. Simple.

You know what helps bring in sports and activities so they are tired. Oh wait, that’s parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's some anecdotal evidence:
I teach middle school (6,7,8) and several of my students tell me they are on their phones all night and regularly go to sleep at 1-2 am, even my youngest students. Just a reminder to parents: if you allow your children to have a mobile device on their nightstand, they will most likely not make mature decisions (duh).

I see my kids friends posting at all hours. Phones stay in our bedroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past

Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.

My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?

Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

This is so insightful! You should definitely post it 75 more times in this thread.

Well, why not!