Petition: Later MCPS school start times

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.


Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.


Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.


I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.


From the cited studies:

“The literature regarding effect of school start time delays on important aspects of high school life suggests some salutary effects, but often the evidence is indirect, imprecise, or derived from cohorts of convenience, making the overall quality of evidence weak or very weak.”

“Therefore, we cannot be confident about the effects of later school start times.Preliminary evidence from the included studies indicated a potential association between later school start times and academic and psychosocial outcomes, but quality and comparability of these data were low and often precluded quantitative synthesis.”

So it seems like the often-quoted science on this thread isn’t very confident about its own conclusions.

Just put your kids in bed earlier and take their phones. Works well in my home. I have a high schooler and a middle schooler and they get 8-9 hours of sleep each night. Because it’s routine and enforced.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.


Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.


Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.


I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.


You seem to make excuses for your kids rather than parenting. We take the electronics and tell the to shower and bed. Simple.

You know what helps bring in sports and activities so they are tired. Oh wait, that’s parenting.


The DCUM definition of "parenting" is "Everything I do - which you should do too, but you don't, because you're a bad, lazy parent."
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Sleep is so important. It should not be shortchanged. MCPS - do the right thing!
Don’t live in the past


Yes, I agree, especially for my MS and ES child.


My kid is now in HS and start times are too early. Can't they make the younger kids go early instead of mine?


Why can't you send your kid to bed earlier?

This is so insightful! You should definitely post it 75 more times in this thread.


Well, why not!

Indeed! You’re definitely making a convincing argument that’s changing people’s minds and lives. Kids all across this county are falling asleep earlier than ever before, thanks to your parenting advice that turns sleep science on its head. Guys, just tuck your high schoolers in earlier! Duh. Circadian rhythm, Shmircadian shmythm.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.


Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.


Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.


I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.


You seem to make excuses for your kids rather than parenting. We take the electronics and tell the to shower and bed. Simple.

You know what helps bring in sports and activities so they are tired. Oh wait, that’s parenting.


The DCUM definition of "parenting" is "Everything I do - which you should do too, but you don't, because you're a bad, lazy parent."


Nice rationalization.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:50 years later students will be asking their parents why they had to go to school so early. Answer: adults' inability to understand science and pivot based on the findings.


Perhaps they should be asking why their parents didn’t enforce earlier bedtimes.


Or they'll call you to ask why you don't believe in science. DP.


I'm sure your so called science also believes in parenting. The MVA has later start times and no commute. Problem solved.

OK, feel free to rebute this "so called" science. Or keep using your preconceived notions of what make a "good" parent. I bet you believe in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" parental style, too. Beat 'em to sleep!

Scientific literature teems with support for later start times:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28670711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36864696/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27855730/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29157638/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35593065/

"Conclusions: There is converging evidence that later SSTs (school start times) are associated with better overall developmental outcomes, longer sleep duration, and less negative mood. More research needs to consider student and school characteristics to obtain reliable estimates related to possible differences by sex, race, school size, percent free/reduced lunch, and percent minority."

But feel free to ignore inconvenient science.


You seem to make excuses for your kids rather than parenting. We take the electronics and tell the to shower and bed. Simple.

You know what helps bring in sports and activities so they are tired. Oh wait, that’s parenting.


The DCUM definition of "parenting" is "Everything I do - which you should do too, but you don't, because you're a bad, lazy parent."


Nice rationalization.


Anonymous
School only starts 10 minutes earlier than it did when I went to HS. I’m 47.
Someone said 50 years from now kids will sky why school started so early. What??
Anonymous
It was great when DC was in ES, but now that they're in HS I was hoping the county would better accommodate us by changing the start times later. So what if someone else's kid has to get up early as long as mine doesn't it's all good to me.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.


Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.


Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?


It's a non-starter to abolish school buses, but yes, housing in Montgomery County should be served by public transportation. How is this even a question?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:School only starts 10 minutes earlier than it did when I went to HS. I’m 47.
Someone said 50 years from now kids will sky why school started so early. What??


DP. Do you think schools will continue to start earlier? So in 50 years kids will actually be going earlier than now?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.


Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?


Do you realize that students do walk a mile or two to school? Think HS students.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's some anecdotal evidence:
I teach middle school (6,7,8) and several of my students tell me they are on their phones all night and regularly go to sleep at 1-2 am, even my youngest students. Just a reminder to parents: if you allow your children to have a mobile device on their nightstand, they will most likely not make mature decisions (duh).


I see my kids friends posting at all hours. Phones stay in our bedroom.

We use parental controls to kill device internet connections at 9pm.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So many decisions are made based on free transportation. Snow days, flooded roads, start times, end times. It’s ridiculous. We need to do away with school buses, boost the public buses and make decisions based on what’s best for our kids.


Seriously? We’re going to have public buses running through all the developments and cul-de-sacs of MoCo? Or are kids going to walk a mile out of their neighborhoods to get to the main roads?


Many areas don't have easy access to public transportation. The MCPS rule for HS is 2 miles regardless of the conditions. We have two major roads and few street have sidewalks. We have to drive back and forth. So, the early start is better to drop off before work.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's some anecdotal evidence:
I teach middle school (6,7,8) and several of my students tell me they are on their phones all night and regularly go to sleep at 1-2 am, even my youngest students. Just a reminder to parents: if you allow your children to have a mobile device on their nightstand, they will most likely not make mature decisions (duh).


I see my kids friends posting at all hours. Phones stay in our bedroom.

We use parental controls to kill device internet connections at 9pm.


Except cell phones have cellular data and there are ways around it. And, you can still play games without the internet.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's some anecdotal evidence:
I teach middle school (6,7,8) and several of my students tell me they are on their phones all night and regularly go to sleep at 1-2 am, even my youngest students. Just a reminder to parents: if you allow your children to have a mobile device on their nightstand, they will most likely not make mature decisions (duh).


I see my kids friends posting at all hours. Phones stay in our bedroom.

We use parental controls to kill device internet connections at 9pm.


Except cell phones have cellular data and there are ways around it. And, you can still play games without the internet.

Verizon parental controls work really well. Kids could jump on one neighbor's wifi, but they know we'd take them away if they did.

Neither kid is into gaming, so that's no a worry. (thank goodness!)
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