WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/

I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument

Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.

No I said wait for the police investigation.

I also said unless there was video of the boy on the ground attacking someone he was assaulted.

I said fighting is not illegal so unless everyone fighting is arrested it was true.

I’m interested in the coming arrests.

And I’m interested to see if it’s pled down … if the states attorney puts it in juvenile court like they did in Damascus.

And….

I’m still wondering about the boy from Suitland and the girl with the ankle bracket from the incident. Where are they?

I’m the only one who stuck with facts actually.

No, you insisted it was a fight and that entitled WJ students were lying to their parents about what happened because they lacked integrity. You impugned the credibility and reputation of innocent children for no reason.

What happened to more arrested coming?

Why hasn't the future happened yet?!?!

Made me chuckle too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

getting arrested for assault when you kick someone in the head is actually the natural consequence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Assault is a matter for the DA not MCPS and there are consequences for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

I don’t think the aggressors were hospitalized, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

+1,000

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

After 5 teens have been charged with assault from this incident, you’re still going to keep playing this game?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

After 5 teens have been charged with assault from this incident, you’re still going to keep playing this game?

This was off mcps property and this was due to parents not supervising their teens. This could not have been the first time they did this and it’s nice to see they are being charged. They should charge the parents too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

If your kid is stuck in class with violent kids warn the school and build a paper trail. If they do nothing, litigate. Litigation is the only thing that MCPS understands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

After 5 teens have been charged with assault from this incident, you’re still going to keep playing this game?

This was off mcps property and this was due to parents not supervising their teens. This could not have been the first time they did this and it’s nice to see they are being charged. They should charge the parents too.

Meaning what, specifically? What should the parents have done that the parents did not do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

If your kid is stuck in class with violent kids warn the school and build a paper trail. If they do nothing, litigate. Litigation is the only thing that MCPS understands.

This is hilarious. Post a link to a lawsuit where a general education kid (a student NOT in special ed) sued the school district and won because they were in a class with a violent student. A teacher was shot by a six year old who choked his previous teacher. It’s doubtful the teacher is going to be able to successfully sue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Assault is a matter for the DA not MCPS and there are consequences for this.

MCPD seems to think MCPS is a magical place where our laws can be ignored.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. This had nothing to do with school rivalries: At least one of the worst cases involved a BCC kid beating up another BCC kid (a cheerleader, actually!) -- entirely unprovoked.

The only thing this had to do with football or rivalries, it seems, is that a group of kids heard stories of past years' fights and came to downtown Bethesda to get in on the action. I haven't seen anyone who was at the football game suggest that this was a case where things got heated at the game and spilled over into the streets: These were not kids who came for football; these were kids who came to fight.

2. Here is the solution: Parents from both schools engage community members, alumni, and members of the community to plan Friday night events, in coordination with police, in which supervising adults fan out (haha) throughout the downtown area after the game, eyes on Chipotle, eyes on the metro. Make it a fundraiser or use the occasion to raise awareness of this or that issue. The idea is to do what makes Bethesda boring the vast majority of the time: Have adults out and about and don't allow kids to congregate in numbers.

Or, just, like have police do it?

LIke, it sounds like they did a fine job at the actual game. I'm pretty surprised that they weren't already keeping a watchful eye on Chipotle, which is precisely where kids have been fighting in the past. Betcha they don't make that mistake again...!

The kids who plotted and decided to plan and launch an assault on their fellow students for fun, bragging rights or for an opportunity to rob them, are not going to show up to school-sanctioned post-game events. Don't be naive.

Additionally, the answer is not to burden more adults with making sure adolescents who should know better don't behave with increased monitoring. The school system doesn't have the personnel to do this and I doubt it can be sustained with parent volunteers over the long haul.

The answer is to punish the kids who did this, to wake them up to the reality that their actions have consequences. Publicize those consequences so their peers who might similar ideas understand that that's not the route they want to go down. It's really just that simple.

Adults with agendas, however, get in the way of this.

That's the point: fill the vacuum of dark quiet streets with annoying boring parents lol
(Google routine activity theory.) Prevent crime by looking out for potential targets or victims, supervising potential offenders, and filling places with wright watchful eyes and literal or metaphorical bright lights.

Research shows clearly that the chance of being caught is a vastly more effective deterrent than even draconian punishment.
(Maybe not as emotionally satisfying though lol )

The more challenging part of this is the thing teens do -- I don't know what the word for it is -- but where they glorify and copy each other's dangerous and violent behavior. From the teen suicide epidemics of Gen X's youth to the copycat mass shootings, there is a sociological component here and no easy answers -- but cool if you think you have them lol

Fill.the dark quiet streets??? This happened st a Bethesda metro stop at 9 on a Friday!
There was a video a year or so ago of another girl assaulting a police officer!
This is a community problem. It's a problem created by a school system that pits bad actors back in the general population.

You seem a bit confused. MCPS' job is to educate our children. It isn't a law-enforcement agency. You need to look elsewhere for that.