WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

After 5 teens have been charged with assault from this incident, you’re still going to keep playing this game?

This was off mcps property and this was due to parents not supervising their teens. This could not have been the first time they did this and it’s nice to see they are being charged. They should charge the parents too.

Unfortunately there is a lot of bad parenting out there. Should they also charge the parents that let their kids party, drink, use drugs and speed down the roads?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

Interesting question…
What happens with an adult convicted of an assault? Don’t some return to the work they were doing before the conviction?

Some people of course can and should not be able to because of serious ethical violations that relate to their profession. But many, many return. Look at sports, entertainment, politics etc.

No, they are on a 10 day suspension now and as I understand it, expulsion proceedings are ongoing. I hope those are expedited.

Thanks to the Montgomery County Police for making the arrests. I find it hard to believe only ONE student reported the incident to police.

The rumor was that the girl who was being beaten was a bcc student misidentified as wj. If she presses charges and goes back to school with Braids McAnkle bracelet's friends she would probably fear for her life.

Where did you see/hear they are on a suspension with expulsion proceedings? I didn't see that reported anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

Stop conflating young kids with special needs (who often kick and throw because they can't express their emotions like their peers) with teens engaging in planned criminal acts. (The same to whoever said the arrested kids should be sent to two schools for special needs kids)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

If your kid is stuck in class with violent kids warn the school and build a paper trail. If they do nothing, litigate. Litigation is the only thing that MCPS understands.

This is hilarious. Post a link to a lawsuit where a general education kid (a student NOT in special ed) sued the school district and won because they were in a class with a violent student. A teacher was shot by a six year old who choked his previous teacher. It’s doubtful the teacher is going to be able to successfully sue.

Schools used to deal with violent kids. Now they don’t. Time to make some case law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Where's the wapo article?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Obviously self-serving comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

There are no real "natural consequences" anymore unless you count a day off school or circle time.

Ending up in the hospital when you choose to fight is.

After 5 teens have been charged with assault from this incident, you’re still going to keep playing this game?

This was off mcps property and this was due to parents not supervising their teens. This could not have been the first time they did this and it’s nice to see they are being charged. They should charge the parents too.

Unfortunately there is a lot of bad parenting out there. Should they also charge the parents that let their kids party, drink, use drugs and speed down the roads?

I thought that parents *are* charged when drinking/drugs happen on their property. Is this not true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

8:30 sounds like the middle of the game or second half.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

8:30 sounds like the middle of the game or second half.

The game started at 6 pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Did she say he threw chairs in kindergarten? That happens more with kids who have ADHD, autism, anxiety, bipolar and such -- rather than a specific learning disability (like say dyslexia).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Obviously self-serving comments.

50% of my 5th graders have a 504.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Where's the wapo article?

Behind a pay wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Where's the wapo article?

Behind a pay wall

Link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

Well, pp you spoke too soon. Have you read the Post article that includes a quote from the 16 year old’s mother acknowledging that he has LDs?

Obviously self-serving comments.

50% of my 5th graders have a 504.

Do 50% of them throw chairs?