WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. This had nothing to do with school rivalries: At least one of the worst cases involved a BCC kid beating up another BCC kid (a cheerleader, actually!) -- entirely unprovoked.

The only thing this had to do with football or rivalries, it seems, is that a group of kids heard stories of past years' fights and came to downtown Bethesda to get in on the action. I haven't seen anyone who was at the football game suggest that this was a case where things got heated at the game and spilled over into the streets: These were not kids who came for football; these were kids who came to fight.

2. Here is the solution: Parents from both schools engage community members, alumni, and members of the community to plan Friday night events, in coordination with police, in which supervising adults fan out (haha) throughout the downtown area after the game, eyes on Chipotle, eyes on the metro. Make it a fundraiser or use the occasion to raise awareness of this or that issue. The idea is to do what makes Bethesda boring the vast majority of the time: Have adults out and about and don't allow kids to congregate in numbers.

Or, just, like have police do it?

LIke, it sounds like they did a fine job at the actual game. I'm pretty surprised that they weren't already keeping a watchful eye on Chipotle, which is precisely where kids have been fighting in the past. Betcha they don't make that mistake again...!

The kids who plotted and decided to plan and launch an assault on their fellow students for fun, bragging rights or for an opportunity to rob them, are not going to show up to school-sanctioned post-game events. Don't be naive.

Additionally, the answer is not to burden more adults with making sure adolescents who should know better don't behave with increased monitoring. The school system doesn't have the personnel to do this and I doubt it can be sustained with parent volunteers over the long haul.

The answer is to punish the kids who did this, to wake them up to the reality that their actions have consequences. Publicize those consequences so their peers who might similar ideas understand that that's not the route they want to go down. It's really just that simple.

Adults with agendas, however, get in the way of this.

That's the point: fill the vacuum of dark quiet streets with annoying boring parents lol
(Google routine activity theory.) Prevent crime by looking out for potential targets or victims, supervising potential offenders, and filling places with wright watchful eyes and literal or metaphorical bright lights.

Research shows clearly that the chance of being caught is a vastly more effective deterrent than even draconian punishment.
(Maybe not as emotionally satisfying though lol )

The more challenging part of this is the thing teens do -- I don't know what the word for it is -- but where they glorify and copy each other's dangerous and violent behavior. From the teen suicide epidemics of Gen X's youth to the copycat mass shootings, there is a sociological component here and no easy answers -- but cool if you think you have them lol

Fill.the dark quiet streets??? This happened st a Bethesda metro stop at 9 on a Friday!
There was a video a year or so ago of another girl assaulting a police officer!
This is a community problem. It's a problem created by a school system that pits bad actors back in the general population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP and in upcounty. I'm baffled how the rest of the high schools which had nothing to do with this are being punished, yet no news on what will happen to the thugs who instigated this.

I'm also in the upcounty. How are the other high schools being punished? Did you miss the news about pending charges? Are you familiar with laws and policies that restrict the public's access to information about juveniles?

They are limiting who can attend football games.

No they aren’t. The attendance policy is the same as it has been for several years. (HS students of both teams allowed, with student ID; MS/ES in cluster allowed with adult chaperone.) Just because they had principals message their communities about it again doesn’t mean there was a change.

It wasn't limited ton75% capacity last week!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the police for the 5 arrests and keeping the investigation open. And to the parents for reporting it.

Some credit to MCPS as well for working with police. No doubt MCPS would have stonewalled if the video hadn’t been made public, but they still deserve a little credit even though what they did was obviously the right thing to do.

Sorry. All the credit goes to the police. I wish they released all names so I could make sure my kids stay far away.

Agreed -- MCPD did a great job, MCPS did not.

Same with the report of the alleged rape at Rockville HS a few years ago. The public learned about it only when MCPD announced it in a press release, like they do for all major crimes. MCPS was silent (not even informing parents) and finally sent a letter home to parents in that HS days later the incident, spurred on because MCPD let the cat out of the bag and they had no choice.

This announcement was on a Friday and it hit national media because of of the alleged perps was undocumented. Fox News and the like were going wild. Of course, MCPS did nothing to counteract all the false informations spreading that weekend. For example, children have a right to enroll in public school regardles of immigration status, as confirmed by teh Supreme Court years before. But MCPS just stayed silent...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/

I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument

Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.

No I said wait for the police investigation.

I also said unless there was video of the boy on the ground attacking someone he was assaulted.

I said fighting is not illegal so unless everyone fighting is arrested it was true.

I’m interested in the coming arrests.

And I’m interested to see if it’s pled down … if the states attorney puts it in juvenile court like they did in Damascus.

And….

I’m still wondering about the boy from Suitland and the girl with the ankle bracket from the incident. Where are they?

I’m the only one who stuck with facts actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the police for the 5 arrests and keeping the investigation open. And to the parents for reporting it.

Some credit to MCPS as well for working with police. No doubt MCPS would have stonewalled if the video hadn’t been made public, but they still deserve a little credit even though what they did was obviously the right thing to do.

Sorry. All the credit goes to the police. I wish they released all names so I could make sure my kids stay far away.

Agreed -- MCPD did a great job, MCPS did not.

Same with the report of the alleged rape at Rockville HS a few years ago. The public learned about it only when MCPD announced it in a press release, like they do for all major crimes. MCPS was silent (not even informing parents) and finally sent a letter home to parents in that HS days later the incident, spurred on because MCPD let the cat out of the bag and they had no choice.

This announcement was on a Friday and it hit national media because of of the alleged perps was undocumented. Fox News and the like were going wild. Of course, MCPS did nothing to counteract all the false informations spreading that weekend. For example, children have a right to enroll in public school regardles of immigration status, as confirmed by teh Supreme Court years before. But MCPS just stayed silent...

Look. I give MCPS hell about a lot of things. And it's true, MCPS has in many instances been an obstruction to arrests and investigations. But they weren't this time and it's ok to give them credit this time.

It's not like they did it for purely altruistic reasons. Monifa knows the spotlight is on her and political pressure is intense, so it serves her to cooperate and not stonewall like how MCPS has done in the past. But nonetheless, MCPS's participation in partnership with MCPD led to this outcome. There would be no arrests without MCPS's cooperation here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/

I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument

Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.

No I said wait for the police investigation.

I also said unless there was video of the boy on the ground attacking someone he was assaulted.

I said fighting is not illegal so unless everyone fighting is arrested it was true.

I’m interested in the coming arrests.

And I’m interested to see if it’s pled down … if the states attorney puts it in juvenile court like they did in Damascus.

And….

I’m still wondering about the boy from Suitland and the girl with the ankle bracket from the incident. Where are they?

I’m the only one who stuck with facts actually.

No, you insisted it was a fight and that entitled WJ students were lying to their parents about what happened because they lacked integrity. You impugned the credibility and reputation of innocent children for no reason.

[Anonymous]

I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

I agree. And I think our privacy laws need to be modified so that schools can be more transparent about these incredibly serious issues. The privacy laws enable parents of these troubled kids or schools with cowardly leadership to hide behind them until it's too late, and some ends up seriously hurt or dead. And that's not ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

Boom. Way back in elementary school, you could spot the problem kids…most of whom just became bigger problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/

I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument

Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.

No I said wait for the police investigation.

I also said unless there was video of the boy on the ground attacking someone he was assaulted.

I said fighting is not illegal so unless everyone fighting is arrested it was true.

I’m interested in the coming arrests.

And I’m interested to see if it’s pled down … if the states attorney puts it in juvenile court like they did in Damascus.

And….

I’m still wondering about the boy from Suitland and the girl with the ankle bracket from the incident. Where are they?

I’m the only one who stuck with facts actually.

No, you insisted it was a fight and that entitled WJ students were lying to their parents about what happened because they lacked integrity. You impugned the credibility and reputation of innocent children for no reason.

What happened to more arrested coming?

[Anonymous]

The problem with viewing everything through a racist or anti-racist lens is you end up not actually adressing real problems and imposing meaningful consequences on perpetrators, regardless of skin color. Poor choices lead to negative consequences and those consequences should be the "teachable moment" McKnight referenced in her message.

When teens make poor choices and face natural consequences and others are made aware of those consequences, there's your "teachable moment."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/

I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument

Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.

No I said wait for the police investigation.

I also said unless there was video of the boy on the ground attacking someone he was assaulted.

I said fighting is not illegal so unless everyone fighting is arrested it was true.

I’m interested in the coming arrests.

And I’m interested to see if it’s pled down … if the states attorney puts it in juvenile court like they did in Damascus.

And….

I’m still wondering about the boy from Suitland and the girl with the ankle bracket from the incident. Where are they?

I’m the only one who stuck with facts actually.

No, you insisted it was a fight and that entitled WJ students were lying to their parents about what happened because they lacked integrity. You impugned the credibility and reputation of innocent children for no reason.

What happened to more arrested coming?

Why hasn't the future happened yet?!?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

Boom. Way back in elementary school, you could spot the problem kids…most of whom just became bigger problems.

How?

What % were actually problem toddlers that became problem teens/adults?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

the kids throwing chairs in K are NOT the kids getting together with their friends in HS to have fun beating up people for lulz and likes. there’s a difference between little kids who need more SPED support and kids who are just plain violent and nasty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that the biggest global issue is that the law protects violent minors.

Just look at all of the posts about elementary school kids subjected to violence in their classrooms (chair throwing, desk throwing, hitting, kicking, and evacuating for violent meltdowns). Kids can’t be removed without boatloads of documentation. Should the teacher teach or document all day? Even then it takes months.

The violator’s rights are protected. Those subjected to the violence are not protected.

Young kids grow into powerful adolescents and adults who continue to suffer no consequences for their behavior and just stay in the system right next to your child.

Laws need to change to protect students and teachers from violent minors not vice versa.

Boom. Way back in elementary school, you could spot the problem kids…most of whom just became bigger problems.

How?

What % were actually problem toddlers that became problem teens/adults?

it’s not the toddlers with undiagnosed autism/adhd throwing chairs who grow up to have fun beating up other kids with their friends. this kind of conduct (violence for fun) is a feature of sociopathy created by extreme family stress and generational child abuse.