Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What do you mean “financial standpoint”? From a financial standpoint many Virginia residents can go OOS for less than the cost of UVA. It’s printed on the web site for Bama, WVU, Purdue engineering. Many other schools have less predictable scholarships with the same result. For those students it’s going in state to UVA that’s the luxury.

[Anonymous]

Quantitative: with $100 you can buy things that cost $100 or less. With $200 you can buy all the things you can buy with $100 and still have money left over. Money is a simple thing. So it’s quite clear that having $200 is “better” than having $100.

Qualitative: one guy thinks about Jessica Chastain all day. One guy thinks about Natalie Portman all day. One guy thinks about Halle Berry all day. Women are complex entities with a lot of variables, and who is “better” for an individual can’t be reduced to (bust + height) divided by (age + IQ) or some other simple mathematical computation.

Colleges are complex entities with lots of variables, yet some people here INSIST that everybody reduce their preferences to a function of USNews ranking and sticker price. Just because a magazine numerically ranks something, it doesn’t mean the individual qualitative preferences question has been forever retired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

America knows which schools are the top three publics.

This data is irrelevant to this thread because it doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state.

It’s irrelevant to you. To this thread it’s completely relevant. “Why are OOS flagships so popular these day?” Those numbers (supposedly) represent the entire country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

+100
These people romanticizing being “elsewhere” crack me up. Sure, some places are worth it (Hawaii? Montana? Definitely.). But most are just a rehash of everything they would be experiencing here. Kind of amusing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Living in Virginia makes my kid NOT want to attend UVA. It sure how you convince your kids to do it.

Lots and lots of VA kids who haven’t yet applied say they’d never want to go to UVA. We all know why they say it.

Yup. Because they don’t want to go to school in VA.

DP. Or they prefer other VA schools. Which the absurd UVA booster(s) just can’t accept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quantitative: with $100 you can buy things that cost $100 or less. With $200 you can buy all the things you can buy with $100 and still have money left over. Money is a simple thing. So it’s quite clear that having $200 is “better” than having $100.

Qualitative: one guy thinks about Jessica Chastain all day. One guy thinks about Natalie Portman all day. One guy thinks about Halle Berry all day. Women are complex entities with a lot of variables, and who is “better” for an individual can’t be reduced to (bust + height) divided by (age + IQ) or some other simple mathematical computation.

Colleges are complex entities with lots of variables, yet some people here INSIST that everybody reduce their preferences to a function of USNews ranking and sticker price. Just because a magazine numerically ranks something, it doesn’t mean the individual qualitative preferences question has been forever retired.

No guy thinks about Jessica Chastain all day. -a guy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

+100
These people romanticizing being “elsewhere” crack me up. Sure, some places are worth it (Hawaii? Montana? Definitely.). But most are just a rehash of everything they would be experiencing here. Kind of amusing.

This really isn’t true. The overall vibe at two given flagships can be very different. For example, UVA has a distinctive southern feel that you aren’t going to find at places like Wisconsin or Berkeley or Vermont. Academics aside, different schools can attract a very different type of student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What do you mean “financial standpoint”? From a financial standpoint many Virginia residents can go OOS for less than the cost of UVA. It’s printed on the web site for Bama, WVU, Purdue engineering. Many other schools have less predictable scholarships with the same result. For those students it’s going in state to UVA that’s the luxury.

I indicated in a previous post that if you can get merit, yes, it makes sense, but not if you don't, especially if the in state has a better reputation for the intended major.

[Anonymous]

UVA has to have the most all-time mentions on DCUM up there w/Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What do you mean “financial standpoint”? From a financial standpoint many Virginia residents can go OOS for less than the cost of UVA. It’s printed on the web site for Bama, WVU, Purdue engineering. Many other schools have less predictable scholarships with the same result. For those students it’s going in state to UVA that’s the luxury.

I indicated in a previous post that if you can get merit, yes, it makes sense, but not if you don't, especially if the in state has a better reputation for the intended major.

I guess I’m just wondering how many NoVa residents who could get into UVA can’t get merit at any other state flagship, if they tried. The number may well be zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What do you mean “financial standpoint”? From a financial standpoint many Virginia residents can go OOS for less than the cost of UVA. It’s printed on the web site for Bama, WVU, Purdue engineering. Many other schools have less predictable scholarships with the same result. For those students it’s going in state to UVA that’s the luxury.

I indicated in a previous post that if you can get merit, yes, it makes sense, but not if you don't, especially if the in state has a better reputation for the intended major.

I guess I’m just wondering how many NoVa residents who could get into UVA can’t get merit at any other state flagship, if they tried. The number may well be zero.

I don't know. That would be an interesting stat to see. But, that may well happen, or the merit aid isn't that much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

+100
These people romanticizing being “elsewhere” crack me up. Sure, some places are worth it (Hawaii? Montana? Definitely.). But most are just a rehash of everything they would be experiencing here. Kind of amusing.

This really isn’t true. The overall vibe at two given flagships can be very different. For example, UVA has a distinctive southern feel that you aren’t going to find at places like Wisconsin or Berkeley or Vermont. Academics aside, different schools can attract a very different type of student.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA has to have the most all-time mentions on DCUM up there w/Trump

Probably a solid overlap in boosters.