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White women try to "reclaim power" through #vanillagirl and #cleangirl beauty posts??
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Anonymous
Is this truly your life? Are you, in fact, CONSTANTLY told you're a Karen? Are you, in fact, CONSTANTLY told you're not recognizing your privilege? Are you, in fact, CONSTANTLY told you're a basic b who has no culture? If you are CONSTANTLY being told these things, PP, then I think you're probably doing something wrong. Maybe even CONSTANTLY doing something wrong. |
Anonymous
I know, hysterical white women, amiright? Also, where is the overreaction? We're having a conversation. Different people have weighed in. If talking about a topic means overreacting to it, then what is the appropriate reaction? To be silent? To have no opinions? To simply be passive and accepting when people discuss the demographic you belong to in ways that don't ring true to you? What is the correct reaction? |
Anonymous
It is my interpretation (which I think the PP may even have explained somewhere in the thread) that's she's not talking about literally "being told" but talking about general ideas in the culture that are, yes, continuously part of the dialogue. I have never personally been called a Karen or told to check my privilege or that I'm basic or not recognizing other people. But I do have a sense that I need to be cautious about what I say and how I say it, and find myself being quieter and less opinionated in general, because of how I see people talking about white women in the public sphere, and not wanting to invite criticism (and also genuinely not wanting to harm people by centering myself or making conversations about my experience). I think to take the above comment literally is a bit disingenuous. For instance, if a black person used the same framing device to speak about their experience of living in our culture, would you immediately jump in and say "well, wait are you actually, literally, being told CONSTANTLY that you are less than?" Because if I heard a black person talking in these terms I think I'd understand they are not talking literally about being told things but more about being steeped in a culture that makes them feel less than. I would give them the benefit of the doubt, understanding that racism exists and that obviously it must impact someone who is part of a minority group who has been subject to racism throughout our country's history. Not sure why it's so hard to give the PP the same benefit of the doubt. |
Anonymous
Hmm. Are you the pp who tried to pitch Cao's piece earlier as "fashion commentary"? You managed to ignore quotes like these: "The white girl’s soft power is in victimhood. And without it, they are unable to afford the luxuries of committing violence under the guise of it, as they have done for decades." Or this claim about conspiracies: "White women have run a tightly-managed PR machine for ages." Or this ahistorical rant: "American culture has always, and will continue to be, wholly built by and stolen from Black and Indigenous people, from Black women, and from queer folks of color. But the arbiters of top–down culture (magazine boards, tech giants, fashion investors) largely remain white men." Or this wild stereotyping: "I don’t know if we can ever forget the things that we’ve learned in recent years. But I do know white girls will do their damndest to try." |
Anonymous
You're supposed to shut up, obviously. It's outrageous this thread has gone on for so long, because you have no right to be discussing other peoples' wild claims about you. /s |
Anonymous
Total gaslighting. Her point wasn't that white women engage in fashion. Her point was that white women being fashionable IS white supremacy. I think you're playing dumb. And no one here is suggesting Cao victimized white women. We suggested she is a racist weirdo and NPR is platforming her. |
Anonymous
The correct reaction is not say things like "omg she wants us to wear latex bodysuits". |
Anonymous
DP. You're gaslighting again. The host, Luse, asked Cao about inoffensive trends. That's all Cao could come up with. |
Anonymous
And she's wrong about that. Noted anti-semite fashion designer Kanye West popularized black latex bodysuits. Her commentary is really just unfailingly wrong. |
Anonymous
So when Cao is glib, vague, and takes thing out of context, it's not big deal and no one should take her too seriously even though NPR, a major national media outlet, is taking her seriously enough to have her on to discuss this issue. But if someone on this thread is a bit glib in their criticism, this is "the incorrect reaction" from a white woman in a conversation that is explicitly about white women. Got it. |
Anonymous
Sometimes a bodysuit isn't just a bodysuit, and oval nails aren't just oval nails. Contrary to somebody's claim above, the interview isn't just a fun, girly exploration of new fashion trends. Cao's point is that white women are wearing beige and oval nails as part of a coordinated power grab: to "reclaim power from black women" via their "tightly managed pr machine" in order to be able to "afford the luxuries of committing violence under the guise of it, as they have done for decades." Beige outfits, oval nails and black latex bodysuits carry meaning for Cao. And they should for you, too, if you read the piece. The posters that get it have been using these as shorthand for Cao's bigger meaning. |
Anonymous
This is exactly right. They are allowed to write essays and cut 17 minute radio pieces on the topic. But if you notice and disagree, you are the problem. |
Anonymous
| I must be doing something wrong as a white woman. I don't have a PR machine, I would look completely bizarre in a latex bodysuit, and my nails are more like 'file them so you don't scratch your kid'. |
Anonymous
+1 The OMG you are SOOOOO hysterical response is just classic old-fashioned misogyny at work. |
Anonymous
People need to stop engaging with that one. Clearly a troll. |