White women try to "reclaim power" through #vanillagirl and #cleangirl beauty posts??

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Anonymous wrote:NPR laid off 10% of its staff. And like all things, it reportedly affected queen and brown people the most.

No word on the fate of the "its been a minute" staff. Their latest episode promotes dating AI boyfriends.

Bleak.

How?

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Anonymous wrote:NPR laid off 10% of its staff. And like all things, it reportedly affected queen and brown people the most.

No word on the fate of the "its been a minute" staff. Their latest episode promotes dating AI boyfriends.

Bleak.

Doesn't really seem relevant. A lot of media companies are doing layoffs because ad buys are way down over the last 6-8 months.

NPR employees are accusing NPR of racism over the layoffs. They should do a segment on what's not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NPR laid off 10% of its staff. And like all things, it reportedly affected queen and brown people the most.

No word on the fate of the "its been a minute" staff. Their latest episode promotes dating AI boyfriends.

Bleak.

How?

Bc some of the programs they cut (and then the staff of those programs made redundant) were racial analysis shows. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/05/npr-employees-get-laid-off-and-of-course-its-racism-1347387/

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Don't know if it's true or spin, but NPR says the cuts left workforce demographics unchanged.

"Some of the reaction on social media has focused on the fact that most of the canceled podcasts were hosted by people of color and women. Yet, in a note to staff on Friday, Lansing said NPR structured the layoffs in such a way that its workforce demographics remain unchanged: 42% of remaining employees are people of color and 58% are women."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165559810/npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation

So shows like All Things Considered also took hits. Although I wonder if senior POC lost their jobs when shows like Louder Than a Riot were cancelled, and POC are now proportionately more from support staff.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know if it's true or spin, but NPR says the cuts left workforce demographics unchanged.

"Some of the reaction on social media has focused on the fact that most of the canceled podcasts were hosted by people of color and women. Yet, in a note to staff on Friday, Lansing said NPR structured the layoffs in such a way that its workforce demographics remain unchanged: 42% of remaining employees are people of color and 58% are women."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165559810/npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation

So shows like All Things Considered also took hits. Although I wonder if senior POC lost their jobs when shows like Louder Than a Riot were cancelled, and POC are now proportionately more from support staff.

Both sides can be saying true things. Cut a show hosted by a black woman with 4 white dudes working in the background and you've probably retained more women and people of color overall while cutting more podcasts hosted by people of color and women.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know if it's true or spin, but NPR says the cuts left workforce demographics unchanged.

"Some of the reaction on social media has focused on the fact that most of the canceled podcasts were hosted by people of color and women. Yet, in a note to staff on Friday, Lansing said NPR structured the layoffs in such a way that its workforce demographics remain unchanged: 42% of remaining employees are people of color and 58% are women."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165559810/npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation

So shows like All Things Considered also took hits. Although I wonder if senior POC lost their jobs when shows like Louder Than a Riot were cancelled, and POC are now proportionately more from support staff.

Both sides can be saying true things. Cut a show hosted by a black woman with 4 white dudes working in the background and you've probably retained more women and people of color overall while cutting more podcasts hosted by people of color and women.

True. One of the shows I like (Bring Birds Back) is hosted by a black women, but the fact checker and sound guys sound like white guys. I can't tell from Google whether it's continuing or cut.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know if it's true or spin, but NPR says the cuts left workforce demographics unchanged.

"Some of the reaction on social media has focused on the fact that most of the canceled podcasts were hosted by people of color and women. Yet, in a note to staff on Friday, Lansing said NPR structured the layoffs in such a way that its workforce demographics remain unchanged: 42% of remaining employees are people of color and 58% are women."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165559810/npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation

So shows like All Things Considered also took hits. Although I wonder if senior POC lost their jobs when shows like Louder Than a Riot were cancelled, and POC are now proportionately more from support staff.

Both sides can be saying true things. Cut a show hosted by a black woman with 4 white dudes working in the background and you've probably retained more women and people of color overall while cutting more podcasts hosted by people of color and women.

This is a good point and its important with media workplaces not to assume that on-air talent is reflective of behind-the-scenes demographics. Media companies tend to focus more on diversifying on-air talent because it gives off the appearance of diversity even if behind the scenes it's not as diverse. And having worked in media before, I would argue that diversity in producers and researchers is often more important in terms of ensuring a diverse perspective on the air. A lot of on-air personalities truly are just talking heads, and production can be far more influential in what stories make it on air or how they are framed, what interviews are pursued and conducted, etc. I mean, obviously both are important, but there is a tendency to fixate on on-air talent in terms of diversity and it really does not tell the whole story. If I were worried about retaining diversity during cuts, I'd be much more likely to cut the show with a black woman host and an all white male staff, than a show with one white male co-host and one black woman co-host, and a diverse staff of producers, researchers, and technicians. Diversity at every level is more valuable than a single high-profile host (plus I'd question why that show had so little diversity on staff since talent usually have some say in who works on their shows and it would be weird to me that a host of any color or gender was hiring only white guys -- raises some red flags).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't know if it's true or spin, but NPR says the cuts left workforce demographics unchanged.

"Some of the reaction on social media has focused on the fact that most of the canceled podcasts were hosted by people of color and women. Yet, in a note to staff on Friday, Lansing said NPR structured the layoffs in such a way that its workforce demographics remain unchanged: 42% of remaining employees are people of color and 58% are women."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165559810/npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation

So shows like All Things Considered also took hits. Although I wonder if senior POC lost their jobs when shows like Louder Than a Riot were cancelled, and POC are now proportionately more from support staff.

Both sides can be saying true things. Cut a show hosted by a black woman with 4 white dudes working in the background and you've probably retained more women and people of color overall while cutting more podcasts hosted by people of color and women.

This is a good point and its important with media workplaces not to assume that on-air talent is reflective of behind-the-scenes demographics. Media companies tend to focus more on diversifying on-air talent because it gives off the appearance of diversity even if behind the scenes it's not as diverse. And having worked in media before, I would argue that diversity in producers and researchers is often more important in terms of ensuring a diverse perspective on the air. A lot of on-air personalities truly are just talking heads, and production can be far more influential in what stories make it on air or how they are framed, what interviews are pursued and conducted, etc. I mean, obviously both are important, but there is a tendency to fixate on on-air talent in terms of diversity and it really does not tell the whole story. If I were worried about retaining diversity during cuts, I'd be much more likely to cut the show with a black woman host and an all white male staff, than a show with one white male co-host and one black woman co-host, and a diverse staff of producers, researchers, and technicians. Diversity at every level is more valuable than a single high-profile host (plus I'd question why that show had so little diversity on staff since talent usually have some say in who works on their shows and it would be weird to me that a host of any color or gender was hiring only white guys -- raises some red flags).

I don't know if the host hires them vs. they're on NPR staff. I listen to a few podcasts where the fact checker is the same guy.

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OP the only takeaway from this NPR piece is to weep for the state of american journalism.

this is not a real story with real news or meaningful ideas.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I think some of you get online and get confused and misinterpret slang. People from other countries always say Americans have no culture or food. They mean all of us. Of course this is ridiculous. Also a “basic B” has nothing to do with race or being white. I would know, I literally coined the phrase. I would never call Lady Gaga basic, she’s extra. Rhop Robyn Dixon (love her) is someone everyone calls basic compared to Karen on the show who is over the top. I don’t know any of the famous YouTubers or whatever from gen z or younger that everyone is supposed to know. Nor do I care. These are not race issues, being called a Karen also not a race issue. This may come as a shock to you but a few of your issues are age issues. Sorry

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Anonymous wrote:I can't be bothered to look up whoever this "Steffi Cao" nitwit is. The foolishness this country seems to be diving headfirst into is very depressing. I hope the pendulum swings back to common sense sooner rather than later.

+1

This. I’m exhausted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

This x 10000. At times it definitely feels like there is actually nothing I can say, be, or do is "right" enough. A constant #nowinsituation - and I'm sure someone will comment on how this post/feeling is wrong or misguided...

+1 this also has not much to do with being white but more to do with the general polarization of thought and discourse on socials. There is exactly one correct answer or view on every issue right now. So if we make any race an issue, well there’s gonna be a correct way to feel about it. There’s a lack of “nuance” and balance to everything nowadays.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I think some of you get online and get confused and misinterpret slang. People from other countries always say Americans have no culture or food. They mean all of us. Of course this is ridiculous. Also a “basic B” has nothing to do with race or being white. I would know, I literally coined the phrase. I would never call Lady Gaga basic, she’s extra. Rhop Robyn Dixon (love her) is someone everyone calls basic compared to Karen on the show who is over the top. I don’t know any of the famous YouTubers or whatever from gen z or younger that everyone is supposed to know. Nor do I care. These are not race issues, being called a Karen also not a race issue. This may come as a shock to you but a few of your issues are age issues. Sorry

DP. You coined "Basic b"? Sure you did.

The meaning of Karen has expanded waaaay behind your limited little, OT examples. Karen is now used by incels and race baiters for ANY woman, usually white, who doesn't think you should be speeding around playing children. And it has a definite impact on our behavior. You think your meal is cold? Don't send it back unless you're willing to deal with the eyerolls that come with it.


So here, young cool youth, this TicToc somebody posted a few pages ago might help: https://www.tiktok.com/@ilizas/video/7167489949984361771?lang=en

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

This x 10000. At times it definitely feels like there is actually nothing I can say, be, or do is "right" enough. A constant #nowinsituation - and I'm sure someone will comment on how this post/feeling is wrong or misguided...

+1 this also has not much to do with being white but more to do with the general polarization of thought and discourse on socials. There is exactly one correct answer or view on every issue right now. So if we make any race an issue, well there’s gonna be a correct way to feel about it. There’s a lack of “nuance” and balance to everything nowadays.

But where older white women are concerned, there's NO right answer. You can't dress like a black woman because that's appropriation, and I get that. But you also can't have your own style (clean girl, coastal grandma) because then you're trying to impose it on POC, which is what Cao claims in this dumb interview.

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Anonymous wrote:. So here, young cool youth, this TicToc somebody posted a few pages ago might help: https://www.tiktok.com/@ilizas/video/7167489949984361771?lang=en

"And what you didn't realize you were doing, girls, when you call another woman a Karen, you didn't realize you were picking up the pre-sharpened tools of the patriarchy you so readily claim to rail against on your Instagram pages, and with your RBG tote bags and "Slay All Day" rose wine kits, and you were killing another woman, period."