Churchill Getting a New Principal

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Anonymous wrote:Not spending a fortune on someone who needs extra help isn't discrimination though. I mean, I can't jump. Should MCPS spend money to try to make me an equally good basketball player to the best players in the county?

Well, if you can't jump because someone tied your legs together, then getting help untying them would be appropriate. If we're torturing metaphors, anyway.

You're the only one torturing metaphors. Mine was perfectly clear. I'm talking about natural ability or disability. Physical or mental, it's all the same. But if you prefer, let's stay with mental and focus on kids with low to average IQs. Should MCPS spend a fortune to try to get all of them onto AP/honors classes as well?

Wow. You are obtuse. There are plenty of students at Churchill who have the ability for AP classes but are openly told that they can’t receive services in those classes. Some teachers even resist providing accommodations. Those are discriminatory acts.

It’s the same as black students being dissuaded from taking an AP class because of an implicit biases. Passing judgment without looking at the prerequisites and a student’s ability in the course is a discriminatory act.

Giving students equal access should not take away from the experience of other students. If more students enroll in AP classes then the school will hire more teachers to teach the AP classes. The achievement of the school will expand. Overall test performance in the school will improve. Diversity in these classes will add to the blending of the Churchill community vs. the segregation that has been a feature of the Churchill AP program in the past.

Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

There is zero evidence there, just a bunch of stories which may or may not be true. There also a statistic about higher suspension rates but it doesn't say if there is a corresponding higher crime/rule-breaking rate. Wokes are terrible at actually providing evidence because there usually isn't any. If there were, I'd be fighting right along side you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

I don't need evidence. PP made the claim, so he/she should provide some. Hint: you'll almost never find any at USA Today. I mean, come on man.

And you want an extra teacher for every kid with disabilities? Sounds expensive. That would eat up the budget for the normal kids pretty quickly.

[Anonymous]

OK: https://edtrust.org/press-release/black-and-latino-students-shut-out-of-advanced-coursework-opportunities/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK: https://edtrust.org/press-release/black-and-latino-students-shut-out-of-advanced-coursework-opportunities/

That's almost as useless as the USA Today article. Again, there's no data showing that there's any discrimination, only that there's a disparity. Wokes like Kendi say that any racial disparity equals discrimination which is, of course, nonsense. This is summed up well is Sowell's "Discrimination and Disparities."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK: https://edtrust.org/press-release/black-and-latino-students-shut-out-of-advanced-coursework-opportunities/

That's almost as useless as the USA Today article. Again, there's no data showing that there's any discrimination, only that there's a disparity. Wokes like Kendi say that any racial disparity equals discrimination which is, of course, nonsense. This is summed up well is Sowell's "Discrimination and Disparities."

Unfortunately principal Taylor also believes that racial disparities equals discrimination. So expect him to implement policies that discriminate against whites and Asian kids who, as a group, outperform black and brown kids in an attempt to counteract this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

I don't need evidence. PP made the claim, so he/she should provide some. Hint: you'll almost never find any at USA Today. I mean, come on man.

And you want an extra teacher for every kid with disabilities? Sounds expensive. That would eat up the budget for the normal kids pretty quickly.

A Special Ed teacher or a para educator for AP classes when a disabled child has the ability for the class. As AP English with support demonstrates, multiple students with disabilities can be given access in the same supported class.

Equal access is a legal responsibility if MCPS wants federal and state funding. MCPS can also be sued by parents in Civil Court. Sometimes complying with laws written to end discriminatory practices is cheaper than violating them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not spending a fortune on someone who needs extra help isn't discrimination though. I mean, I can't jump. Should MCPS spend money to try to make me an equally good basketball player to the best players in the county?

Well, if you can't jump because someone tied your legs together, then getting help untying them would be appropriate. If we're torturing metaphors, anyway.

You're the only one torturing metaphors. Mine was perfectly clear. I'm talking about natural ability or disability. Physical or mental, it's all the same. But if you prefer, let's stay with mental and focus on kids with low to average IQs. Should MCPS spend a fortune to try to get all of them onto AP/honors classes as well?

Wow. You are obtuse. There are plenty of students at Churchill who have the ability for AP classes but are openly told that they can’t receive services in those classes. Some teachers even resist providing accommodations. Those are discriminatory acts.

It’s the same as black students being dissuaded from taking an AP class because of an implicit biases. Passing judgment without looking at the prerequisites and a student’s ability in the course is a discriminatory act.

Giving students equal access should not take away from the experience of other students. If more students enroll in AP classes then the school will hire more teachers to teach the AP classes. The achievement of the school will expand. Overall test performance in the school will improve. Diversity in these classes will add to the blending of the Churchill community vs. the segregation that has been a feature of the Churchill AP program in the past.

Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

You keep juxtaposing kids with specialized needs against “normal” kids. What a weird and offensive way to put it. A kid who has ADHD or diabetes or hearing loss is no less “normal” than any other kid. They just need accommodations to perform to the best of their ability. All the research shows, by the way, that when kids are in classes with students who have learning challenges, they actually perform better. They often get access to better teaching practices and have the benefit of a second instructor as well. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face. I’m sure you’re totally “normal” though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not spending a fortune on someone who needs extra help isn't discrimination though. I mean, I can't jump. Should MCPS spend money to try to make me an equally good basketball player to the best players in the county?

Well, if you can't jump because someone tied your legs together, then getting help untying them would be appropriate. If we're torturing metaphors, anyway.

You're the only one torturing metaphors. Mine was perfectly clear. I'm talking about natural ability or disability. Physical or mental, it's all the same. But if you prefer, let's stay with mental and focus on kids with low to average IQs. Should MCPS spend a fortune to try to get all of them onto AP/honors classes as well?

Wow. You are obtuse. There are plenty of students at Churchill who have the ability for AP classes but are openly told that they can’t receive services in those classes. Some teachers even resist providing accommodations. Those are discriminatory acts.

It’s the same as black students being dissuaded from taking an AP class because of an implicit biases. Passing judgment without looking at the prerequisites and a student’s ability in the course is a discriminatory act.

Giving students equal access should not take away from the experience of other students. If more students enroll in AP classes then the school will hire more teachers to teach the AP classes. The achievement of the school will expand. Overall test performance in the school will improve. Diversity in these classes will add to the blending of the Churchill community vs. the segregation that has been a feature of the Churchill AP program in the past.

Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

You keep juxtaposing kids with specialized needs against “normal” kids. What a weird and offensive way to put it. A kid who has ADHD or diabetes or hearing loss is no less “normal” than any other kid. They just need accommodations to perform to the best of their ability. All the research shows, by the way, that when kids are in classes with students who have learning challenges, they actually perform better. They often get access to better teaching practices and have the benefit of a second instructor as well. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face. I’m sure you’re totally “normal” though.

I'm sorry the word normal triggers you but it's the most appropriate word for the conversation. I'm sure you prefer differently abled or some other BS term that helps you cope with having abnormal kids. And no, I am not normal. But I also wasn't coddled... er... sorry... accommodated to get through school. Life won't accommodate your kids either. They'll either sink or swim on their abilities. And again, should low or normal IQ kids get accomodations so they cantry to perform at a top level?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

I don't need evidence. PP made the claim, so he/she should provide some. Hint: you'll almost never find any at USA Today. I mean, come on man.

And you want an extra teacher for every kid with disabilities? Sounds expensive. That would eat up the budget for the normal kids pretty quickly.

A Special Ed teacher or a para educator for AP classes when a disabled child has the ability for the class. As AP English with support demonstrates, multiple students with disabilities can be given access in the same supported class.

Equal access is a legal responsibility if MCPS wants federal and state funding. MCPS can also be sued by parents in Civil Court. Sometimes complying with laws written to end discriminatory practices is cheaper than violating them.

You sound really entitled. How is not bending over backwards to raise every disabled kid's scores discriminatory? Its not. You're just saying that they are giving you one truckload of extra help when you feel entitled to three. Meanwhile normal kids get no extra help

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

I don't need evidence. PP made the claim, so he/she should provide some. Hint: you'll almost never find any at USA Today. I mean, come on man.

And you want an extra teacher for every kid with disabilities? Sounds expensive. That would eat up the budget for the normal kids pretty quickly.

A Special Ed teacher or a para educator for AP classes when a disabled child has the ability for the class. As AP English with support demonstrates, multiple students with disabilities can be given access in the same supported class.

Equal access is a legal responsibility if MCPS wants federal and state funding. MCPS can also be sued by parents in Civil Court. Sometimes complying with laws written to end discriminatory practices is cheaper than violating them.

Nah, not human nature. PG county paid something like 10 million bucks to fight a discrimination lawsuit that paid out 2 million to Hispanic cops. That’s how MCPS works too - gotta protect the bureaucracy. Remember as COVID taught us - teachers are the most important part of the bureaucracy. Now, of course they send out an email to all the kids who left - but that’s just because they are worried about the state and federal dollars for themselves. Boss Tweed, indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its probably because those services would interfere with the normal kids in the class which would degrade the quality of their education.

As for dissuading black kids from taking AP classes, there's no evidence of that. What there is evidence of is black kids not scoring as high on entrance exams which the woke (including the new principal Taylor) believe is evidence of racism which is insane. They believe that tests should be eschewed in favor of whatever it takes to rave-balance everything.

Some evidence: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/02/04/black-history-month-february-schools-ap-racism-civil-rights/2748790002/

Where's your evidence?

+1 Cite your evidence.

Special Education services could be supplied in AP class via the co-teacher model. That would be the General Educator with a para educator or Special Educator in the class. At Churchill, this is done with classes such as AP English but not other AP classes. Universal design in the class would be implemented, so both educators work with all students, so all students in the class get extra attention vs. a non supported class.

Also, there are no entrance exams for AP classes. If you had a high school student in MCPS, let alone Churchill, you would know that.

I don't need evidence. PP made the claim, so he/she should provide some. Hint: you'll almost never find any at USA Today. I mean, come on man.

And you want an extra teacher for every kid with disabilities? Sounds expensive. That would eat up the budget for the normal kids pretty quickly.

A Special Ed teacher or a para educator for AP classes when a disabled child has the ability for the class. As AP English with support demonstrates, multiple students with disabilities can be given access in the same supported class.

Equal access is a legal responsibility if MCPS wants federal and state funding. MCPS can also be sued by parents in Civil Court. Sometimes complying with laws written to end discriminatory practices is cheaper than violating them.

You sound really entitled. How is not bending over backwards to raise every disabled kid's scores discriminatory? Its not. You're just saying that they are giving you one truckload of extra help when you feel entitled to three. Meanwhile normal kids get no extra help

Because ‘normal’ kids don’t need extra help to access the curriculum. I actually think if you have a kid on an IEP you should have the option to receive direct funding and find your own tutor. If you don’t like it, then lobby for changing federal IDEA act. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Equal access is a legal responsibility if MCPS wants federal and state funding. MCPS can also be sued by parents in Civil Court. Sometimes complying with laws written to end discriminatory practices is cheaper than violating them.

Unfortunately, as long as MCPS has a bottomless budget to hire outside attorney's to defend them, I wouldn't count on it.

MCPS has even been caught violating laws and the Fed's won't touch them. It's getting so bad it's just a matter of time before something gives.

Now, if someone pulls the plug on their funding for external legal defense and makes MCPS defend itself with in-house attorneys... that's a different story.