FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

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Anonymous wrote:I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

that would take a constitutional amendment- do you think 3/4ths of states are voting to allow reparations?

I was thinking more along the lines of free job training, parenting help, scholarships.

Well of course reparations are due from all the money that was stolen from Black people

How do you decide who gets help? There’s blacks from all parts of this world here in the US, how do you decide which ones were affected?

It can be determined who is who. A DNA test can even tell you WH what region of the country your people where slaves. Technology has come very far and the government knows who is who.

What if you are Black and descended from the Black Africans who enslaved their fellow countrymen?

that would be the same as a Descendant of slaves who is also is a descendant of a white slave master who raped his slaves and produced offspring which most of the Black people are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

that would take a constitutional amendment- do you think 3/4ths of states are voting to allow reparations?

I was thinking more along the lines of free job training, parenting help, scholarships.

Well of course reparations are due from all the money that was stolen from Black people

How do you decide who gets help? There’s blacks from all parts of this world here in the US, how do you decide which ones were affected?

It can be determined who is who. A DNA test can even tell you WH what region of the country your people where slaves. Technology has come very far and the government knows who is who.

There’s no way the government will do DNA test for every black person to see if they qualify. It will just be an administrative burden and honestly I don’t think the gov is capable of figuring it out. They can’t even figure out who gets the stimulus or the unemployment correctly. So many people get those benefits that shouldn’t. I am not against providing free job training, interest free college loans, low interest mortgages or other services for blacks that will bring them up but money is not the way to go.

They found a way to give free vaccines. They can do this. The problem is that the white supremacists like having the deck stacked in their favor so they don’t want to do what is right.

The free vaccine distribution program was created by the trump adminstration under operation warp speed, while the rest of the government "experts" fought it and mocked it. Operation warp speed is one of the few trump things that biden didn't change.

Let's be perfectly honest, most of our government if pretty ineffective at creating a plan that works, especially if it involves money.

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Anonymous wrote:I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

that would take a constitutional amendment- do you think 3/4ths of states are voting to allow reparations?

I was thinking more along the lines of free job training, parenting help, scholarships.

Well of course reparations are due from all the money that was stolen from Black people

How do you decide who gets help? There’s blacks from all parts of this world here in the US, how do you decide which ones were affected?

It can be determined who is who. A DNA test can even tell you WH what region of the country your people where slaves. Technology has come very far and the government knows who is who.

There’s no way the government will do DNA test for every black person to see if they qualify. It will just be an administrative burden and honestly I don’t think the gov is capable of figuring it out. They can’t even figure out who gets the stimulus or the unemployment correctly. So many people get those benefits that shouldn’t. I am not against providing free job training, interest free college loans, low interest mortgages or other services for blacks that will bring them up but money is not the way to go.

They found a way to give free vaccines. They can do this. The problem is that the white supremacists like having the deck stacked in their favor so they don’t want to do what is right.

Free vaccines are given to everyone. They are not giving it to just specific groups or running DNA to see if you qualify.. You can’t compare the two.

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Anonymous wrote:I think an alternative where you acknowledge racism and give people money to help them achieve their goals is a better option where you are basically offering them compensation or assistance but not devaluing the achievement level for them.

that would take a constitutional amendment- do you think 3/4ths of states are voting to allow reparations?

I was thinking more along the lines of free job training, parenting help, scholarships.

Well of course reparations are due from all the money that was stolen from Black people

How do you decide who gets help? There’s blacks from all parts of this world here in the US, how do you decide which ones were affected?

It can be determined who is who. A DNA test can even tell you WH what region of the country your people where slaves. Technology has come very far and the government knows who is who.

There’s no way the government will do DNA test for every black person to see if they qualify. It will just be an administrative burden and honestly I don’t think the gov is capable of figuring it out. They can’t even figure out who gets the stimulus or the unemployment correctly. So many people get those benefits that shouldn’t. I am not against providing free job training, interest free college loans, low interest mortgages or other services for blacks that will bring them up but money is not the way to go.

They found a way to give free vaccines. They can do this. The problem is that the white supremacists like having the deck stacked in their favor so they don’t want to do what is right.

No, you're using out-of-date language. It's not white supremacists. It's oppressors or colonizers.

White Supremacists like to confuse with different terms.

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Anonymous wrote:I pray that this attention to racial affinity doesn't awaken a white identarian power center.

For at least 40 years, virginia schools have taught about racism and jim crow and civil rights, and have celebrated civil rights heroes.

We are not doing any favors to black and brown children to teach them that their success or lack thereof is out of their hands, that they lack agency.

We are not doing any favors to all our grandchildren, teaching them that wealth that this country built, which has fought fascism and communist totalitarianism, which has raised billions out of poverty around the world, is only due to historical slavery and conquest.

We can teach the injustice of slavery, and we can teach the underhanded history of broken indian treaties.

However, most of the wealth created in this country has been due to free land and thus high wages and opportunity (often by displacing neolithic indigenous cultures, true!) and meritocracy (for an ever-increasingly inclusive group of peoples).

CRT, focusing on race, and replacing meritocracy with committee-dispensed equity, winds up either in a race war or in mass, centrally-planned starvation & incarceration.

+1 nice to see a well reasoned post from a student of history

More like a well fabricated narrative of history. The wealth of this country was built on free labor by those who were raped, separated from their families (including babies), still being killed, and were forced into bondage for hundreds of years. We aren’t doing the people of this nation any favors denying the truth and refusing to acknowledge the racism/white supremacy that exists. That just allows it to continue. It has gone on far to long and needs to be addressed immediately.

What immediate actions are you calling for to address it?

First thing you can do is acknowledge the truth. After that, stop discriminating against people based on the color of their skin. It’s really not that difficult. Stop with all the deception.

Done.

Now can we all go home?

This would be great if it were true, however racists/ white supremacists swear they aren’t practicing racism/white supremacy while they are doing just that.

Honestly, much of it is in the terminology. People keep using terms like "give up your white privilege" to ask for . . . I don't know what? Turning over my house? Resigning from my job and demanding that a person of color replace me? The same is true with education. Is it a privilege to want your child to have a good education? Why would I give up something that everyone should have?

The term white supremacy is too pejorative and not particularly illuminating. It's not even about skin color so much as the extent to which our society reflects a particular view of what is normal and good to the detriment of people who don't fit those norms. CRT scholars call it "whiteness" but it would be more descriptive and less emotionally charged to talk about the dominant culture carries with it and continually reinforces certain beliefs about what is good, right, valuable, and important and these are perpetuated in laws and institutions in a way that holds people of color back. It's not white supremacy, and some of the values associated with what CRT scholars call white supremacy aren't bad, including emphasis on hard work and education. But the value system carries with it multiple nuanced decisions and judgments we make every day that aren't consistent with these stated values or even true. It's like only hiring graduates from the Ivy leagues. Those school are highly selective, so the graduates must be better, right? If these graduates are the best and most sought after, what's left for everyone else? This belief prevents the genius from a state school from getting the good job he deserves. These cultural values and beliefs manifest themselves through judgments about names, hair, skin color, background, manner of speech and all types of ideas of what is best that aren't intentionally about keeping people of color down as much closing doors to anyone who doesn't display them. We apply values in a way that does not offer fair opportunity to anyone who doesn't satisfy the societal norms, and that's what needs to change.

These important messages could be taught and discussed in a more productive way that does not involve anyone calling anyone who questions CRT teachings a racist or white supremacist.

So, this is one of the more thoughtful posts I have seen on here recently. It mentions one of the facets of "systemic racisms" and "white privilege" - the dominance of supposed white values.

I would think most of us view hard work and striving to educate yourself as virtuous and something to work towards? Is it bad that those values are prevalent? I do not see how anyone can think so. Still, it seems that to some, being expected to adhere to those "white values" is oppressive and has given an unfair advantage to whites and Asians (whose cultures supposedly promote and value those values more than others.)

Yes, if you are educated and work hard, you will have a higher chance of success in the current system. There are plenty of educated hard-working people failing but you should have a fighting chance. We will never have a perfect system - e.g., IIT male Indians hiring other male IIT Indians, Ivy League hiring Ivy league etc.

Regardless, CRT is just a destructive way to try to deal with real issues of disparate outcomes today. The social programs trying to address disparate outcomes for African Americans in the 60's has arguably had the opposite effect. The number of single moms, abortions and the incarcerations skyrocketed since then. Income for African Americans, if adjusted for welfare payments and other assistance, has not changed much. Those outcomes are systemic racism to me - and I fully support dismantling those systems.

Making real changes and have real discussions about actions that will have an impact is too hard for some. Part of the reason African Americans are failing is that parts of the current culture glorify values that are antithetical to success in life.

So, let us just continue with the bigotry of low expectations and, even better, lets enshrine those low expectations and institutionalize them.

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There are people who don't view competition and working hard in a strong light and they exist here in the US and all over the world. They think it's healthier to have a very balanced life or even easy life and not have to work too hard. They think democracy is too much work on the individual and that government should handle national and international decisions without involving them. They think education is overrated. Think John Denver and the song Country Boy. Not himself, but what the song is about.

Since education is mandatory they want less emphasis on academics. Less hoops to jump through to finish successfully. Often they'd like to turn back time. Even Trump's slogan was all about turning back time. Make America Great Again as in go back to an older time and re live it as if it was all rosy and easy and no one was dealing with the death of their loved ones or destroyed possessions from a war. Obama's Hope and Change was often about changing old ways. We don't like the current practices in the US and need to change them. So I'd say a lot of people don't like the current trajectory of the US. It's just the people in the middle that want to continue on our current path.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people who don't view competition and working hard in a strong light and they exist here in the US and all over the world. They think it's healthier to have a very balanced life or even easy life and not have to work too hard. They think democracy is too much work on the individual and that government should handle national and international decisions without involving them. They think education is overrated. Think John Denver and the song Country Boy. Not himself, but what the song is about.

Since education is mandatory they want less emphasis on academics. Less hoops to jump through to finish successfully. Often they'd like to turn back time. Even Trump's slogan was all about turning back time. Make America Great Again as in go back to an older time and re live it as if it was all rosy and easy and no one was dealing with the death of their loved ones or destroyed possessions from a war. Obama's Hope and Change was often about changing old ways. We don't like the current practices in the US and need to change them. So I'd say a lot of people don't like the current trajectory of the US. It's just the people in the middle that want to continue on our current path.

Not working hard and choosing to not get educated is a choice. Americans make that choice every day and it is as valid a way to go through life as others. People chose a life of service, or stay home with children and work less, live in a small home or an RV, take occasional jobs, chose not to work and live on the charity of others etc. Trying to take away the potential reward from people that choose to work hard and to take an education is just sour grapes. If you want a slower life with more time apart from work, own it and don't expect the government to e.g. tax the people working 80 hours a week to subsidize your choice of working 20. The human spirit is nourished in many ways - hard work and success is one, a balanced life in pursuit of other ideals another. Rewarding people proportionally to their work and their unique value to society (with safeguards in place of those unable to work) has proven to be the best model so far. We build fences to keep people out here because people from all over the world wants the opportunity to be free and work hard and succeed. If you want to chill - go ahead - just don't expect me to pay for your choice.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

As if that is some immediate disqualification for being a racist.

The big question is why are you denying systemic racism - how are you benefitting from the current structure?

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Anonymous wrote:There are people who don't view competition and working hard in a strong light and they exist here in the US and all over the world. They think it's healthier to have a very balanced life or even easy life and not have to work too hard. They think democracy is too much work on the individual and that government should handle national and international decisions without involving them. They think education is overrated. Think John Denver and the song Country Boy. Not himself, but what the song is about.

Since education is mandatory they want less emphasis on academics. Less hoops to jump through to finish successfully. Often they'd like to turn back time. Even Trump's slogan was all about turning back time. Make America Great Again as in go back to an older time and re live it as if it was all rosy and easy and no one was dealing with the death of their loved ones or destroyed possessions from a war. Obama's Hope and Change was often about changing old ways. We don't like the current practices in the US and need to change them. So I'd say a lot of people don't like the current trajectory of the US. It's just the people in the middle that want to continue on our current path.

Not working hard and choosing to not get educated is a choice. Americans make that choice every day and it is as valid a way to go through life as others. People chose a life of service, or stay home with children and work less, live in a small home or an RV, take occasional jobs, chose not to work and live on the charity of others etc. Trying to take away the potential reward from people that choose to work hard and to take an education is just sour grapes. If you want a slower life with more time apart from work, own it and don't expect the government to e.g. tax the people working 80 hours a week to subsidize your choice of working 20. The human spirit is nourished in many ways - hard work and success is one, a balanced life in pursuit of other ideals another. Rewarding people proportionally to their work and their unique value to society (with safeguards in place of those unable to work) has proven to be the best model so far. We build fences to keep people out here because people from all over the world wants the opportunity to be free and work hard and succeed. If you want to chill - go ahead - just don't expect me to pay for your choice.

I think the issue with capitalism is that money is the only way people are acknowledged for work and barter fairly. Ideally we live in a society that values both work for money and work to benefit our families and society. Taking care of small children or an elderly parent is just as much work as going to a desk job if not more but it doesn't pay unless you trade money. We don't acknowledge the work of a parent or caregiver in the same way we do as a lawyer even though it would cost a ton to actually put all kids in preschool federally or put people in a federally cared for nursing home. And then some jobs that do give pay don't give out very much. A healthy system acknowledges non monetized work as well as monetized work but still encourages work. Idleness and poor behavior is actually the most costly. Not taking care of children or a parent or making meals and taking care of a house for a family. The number of posts in DCUM about hiring someone to do simple tasks around the home is insane. If you can pay someone to do the work, than whether or not you actually get paid, it's valuable work.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

We all know the left fights racism with racism. They are the biggest racist. I have some neighbors only associate themselves with their own kind/color while sitting back chanting BLM, racist, la la la. While the white Republicans who are called “racist” associate themselves with many others rather than just their kind.

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The trump years are over?

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

We all know the left fights racism with racism. They are the biggest racist. I have some neighbors only associate themselves with their own kind/color while sitting back chanting BLM, racist, la la la. While the white Republicans who are called “racist” associate themselves with many others rather than just their kind.

Yes the white Republicans will associate themselves with anyone who will kiss the behind of white supremacists or supports white supremacy.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

As if that is some immediate disqualification for being a racist.

The big question is why are you denying systemic racism - how are you benefitting from the current structure?

They benefit by being the buffer class. They feel elevated if they believe certain other groups are beneath them and they will be accepted by white mommy and daddy.
They won’t advocate for anything like reparations because they aren’t getting any.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is vote. I've never voted anything but D in my life and I"m so over all this nonsense. I never thought that I would vote R in my life but I am strongly considering it moving forward. Sadly, we have no good options.

You're a liar. Go back to your klan meeting, Karen.

See, this is what the left wing is doing.. which includes how they teach CRT, you disagree, you are racist.. btw, i am hispanic

Asian brown person and I agree.

As if that is some immediate disqualification for being a racist.

The big question is why are you denying systemic racism - how are you benefitting from the current structure?

They benefit by being the buffer class. They feel elevated if they believe certain other groups are beneath them and they will be accepted by white mommy and daddy.
They won’t advocate for anything like reparations because they aren’t getting any.

Can you even hear yourself?