Harvey Weinstein

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Anonymous wrote:Now 40 women have come forward to report the serial rapist, Harvey Weinstein.

Lupita Nyongo is one of the latest, with a piece in the NYT today.

Can someone please post a link to this from the NYT?
Maybe also some exerpts. Thank you.

Okay it took me 4 seconds to Google “Lupita New York Times.” Sorry your device doesn’t have that capacity. Here you go:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opinion/lupita-nyongo-harvey-weinstein.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

So weird. He told her to come to his bedroom at his house so he could massage her. She didn't want to, but instead of saying no and leaving she offered to give him a massage instead...and that was seemingly fine until he took off his pants.

Did he abuse his power? Yes. But that was apparently very easy since many women were seemingly okay with crossing uncomfortable lines in order to curry favor and hopefully land a role. That doesn't make what he did right, but it certainly makes you wonder why these women went along with this. Lupita's situation and many of the others are obviously different from the reported incidents of actual rape. Lupita's situation wasn't rape...she offered to give him a massage.

I understand the power differential, but she and many others had a choice. They picked career opportunities with Weinstein instead of protecting their morals.

Please stop with the victim blaming. Stop with judgment regarding "morals." It's so convenient to sit back and say, "Well I just don't understand how that woman could have put herself in that position..." Go back to the article. Print it out and underline all the parts where he attempted to bully her into doing something she didn't want to do. Underline the parts where he asserted his power.
If you're a man, you have no idea what it's like to go through the world where you're constantly getting messages to just go along, not make a fuss, don't be a bitch, etc. And if you're a woman, PP, I guess you should count yourself lucky that you've never been in a situation where you said to yourself, "I'm really uncomfortable right now, but maybe if I just go along for a little bit, I can get myself out of this."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now 40 women have come forward to report the serial rapist, Harvey Weinstein.

Lupita Nyongo is one of the latest, with a piece in the NYT today.

Can someone please post a link to this from the NYT?
Maybe also some exerpts. Thank you.

Okay it took me 4 seconds to Google “Lupita New York Times.” Sorry your device doesn’t have that capacity. Here you go:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opinion/lupita-nyongo-harvey-weinstein.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

So weird. He told her to come to his bedroom at his house so he could massage her. She didn't want to, but instead of saying no and leaving she offered to give him a massage instead...and that was seemingly fine until he took off his pants.

Did he abuse his power? Yes. But that was apparently very easy since many women were seemingly okay with crossing uncomfortable lines in order to curry favor and hopefully land a role. That doesn't make what he did right, but it certainly makes you wonder why these women went along with this. Lupita's situation and many of the others are obviously different from the reported incidents of actual rape. Lupita's situation wasn't rape...she offered to give him a massage.

I understand the power differential, but she and many others had a choice. They picked career opportunities with Weinstein instead of protecting their morals.

Please stop with the victim blaming. Stop with judgment regarding "morals." It's so convenient to sit back and say, "Well I just don't understand how that woman could have put herself in that position..." Go back to the article. Print it out and underline all the parts where he attempted to bully her into doing something she didn't want to do. Underline the parts where he asserted his power.
If you're a man, you have no idea what it's like to go through the world where you're constantly getting messages to just go along, not make a fuss, don't be a bitch, etc. And if you're a woman, PP, I guess you should count yourself lucky that you've never been in a situation where you said to yourself, "I'm really uncomfortable right now, but maybe if I just go along for a little bit, I can get myself out of this."

I'm a woman who was in bad situations a few times but stood up for myself instead of going with the flow.

I get it: these women wanted to be actresses. They wanted to get a part. They were willing to do things that made them feel uncomfortable instead of saying no and walking out. I realize that could have impacted their careers. I get it. But they chose career over their own comfort level.

Lupita could have said no and walked out. Some of his victims did. Others didn't. And some were forcibly assaulted.

All I'm saying is it's no small wonder that he thought he could get away with it...because he did. Very few women actually pushed back. Most caved in.

If your boss said he wanted to give you a massage, would you say okay? Or offer to give him one instead? Or would you say, "What did you just say? I'm going to leave now."

Perhaps some of you might want to begin focusing on empowering and equipping women to use their voice instead of defending their silence by labeling everyone as victim blamers?

[Anonymous]

I acted throughout my childhood and teens. When I was ready to go professional (full-time career choice), my mother threw a fit. She denied me all funds and put me on lock down. I went to a liberal arts and studied history instead, which she happily paid for. I applied to one college, and never acted again.

She grew up in LA, and when I asked her many years later why she was so adamant about cutting out the acting when I felt I had a real chance at success, she said one word: "casting couch" and refused to discuss it further.

I found out a few years after that that she'd been flown to Mexico for an abortion by a very well-known director/producer back in the 50s. My heart sunk and I forgave her everything. Sticking to small, local theater when she could be present was one thing. Sending me off to mainstream auditions without anyone to protect me? That's why she absolutely lost it.

None of this is new.

I remember when Kirstie Alley say, "You bop your way to the top" and cringed. It's just paying your dues and you're powerless, until you have power. And, even then you need to keep your mouth shut.

[Anonymous]

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I acted throughout my childhood and teens. When I was ready to go professional (full-time career choice), my mother threw a fit. She denied me all funds and put me on lock down. I went to a liberal arts and studied history instead, which she happily paid for. I applied to one college, and never acted again.

She grew up in LA, and when I asked her many years later why she was so adamant about cutting out the acting when I felt I had a real chance at success, she said one word: "casting couch" and refused to discuss it further.

I found out a few years after that that she'd been flown to Mexico for an abortion by a very well-known director/producer back in the 50s. My heart sunk and I forgave her everything. Sticking to small, local theater when she could be present was one thing. Sending me off to mainstream auditions without anyone to protect me? That's why she absolutely lost it.

None of this is new.

I remember when Kirstie Alley say, "You bop your way to the top" and cringed. It's just paying your dues and you're powerless, until you have power. And, even then you need to keep your mouth shut.

If being a successful pediatrician required sleeping your way to the top, I suspect we wouldn't have female pediatricians, the system would take notice, and things would change.

But playing the game in exchange for a role with the hope of fame and fortune basically emboldened the abusers and formalized the quid pro quo of the casting couch.

[Anonymous]

But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

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But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

[Anonymous]

So Tarantino finally decided to come out and say something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html

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Anonymous wrote:So Tarantino finally decided to come out and say something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html

Interesting. There's nothing noble about saying you knew but didn't say something. All this means is that Tarantino put greed before morals...which I believe makes him complicit.

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But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

PP, you summed it up beautifully. I completely agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

Yay! You found one woman who wasn’t sexually harassed. Good job!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

Yay! You found one woman who wasn’t sexually harassed. Good job!

Yay? What's your field and how are women treated where you work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

Yay! You found one woman who wasn’t sexually harassed. Good job!

Yay? What's your field and how are women treated where you work?

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I’m not sure why his is relevant, but I work in public health (doctor) and was sexually harassed by another older doc. Told my supervisor. He was fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

Yay! You found one woman who wasn’t sexually harassed. Good job!

Yay? What's your field and how are women treated where you work?

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I’m not sure why his is relevant, but I work in public health (doctor) and was sexually harassed by another older doc. Told my supervisor. He was fired.

How long did it take to fire him after you reported him?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But the medical system wasn't presumably built on this sexual quid pro quo. Hollywood was. That's the difference.

Yes. We get that.

That's try this another way: it wasn't too long ago that women weren't allowed to go to medical or law school. The women who pioneered and blazed trails weren't handed anything on a silver platter. They very likely encountered sexual harassment. The difference is that women of substance didn't comply. They stood up, used their voices, and persevered.

For whatever reason, many people on this thread think actresses in Hollywood had no choice but to comply. I disagree. I think you are turning these women into victims, not me. I think some of them held their own and pushed back. And that's precisely what all women should do...unless of course you're cool with the status quo.

I had done a research paper on Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, the first American woman physician. Nothing in my exhaustive research hinted at sexual harassment. Sorry.

Yay! You found one woman who wasn’t sexually harassed. Good job!

Yay? What's your field and how are women treated where you work?

.
I’m not sure why his is relevant, but I work in public health (doctor) and was sexually harassed by another older doc. Told my supervisor. He was fired.

How long did it take to fire him after you reported him?

Honestly I don’t remember exactly. Maybe 3-4 months? I wasn’t the only person to complain.