What does it take to get a little gun control

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Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

Why do you even talking about. Trump has his national guard in DC sweeping areas and taking guns right now. And that is the maga hero doing that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

Does the NRA still have any power? Have they fallen apart after the scandals of recent years? Can we get legislation through now?

The N.R.A. never HAD the power. They might’ve written a few campaign donation checks, but the REAL power is the hundred million gun owners who vote (mostly) republican, and will not support anyone seen as a gun banner. And the N.R.A. isn’t the only gun rights group who bestows politicians with approval or disapproval. But the real power is and has always been in gun owners who vote.

Give me a break. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in existence. They receive tens of millions of dollars from gun manufacturers and sellers. Gun industry CEOs sit on the NRA board and are deeply entwined in its fundraising and organizational activities. They have armies of lawyers challenging gun regulations. They push propaganda designed to stoke fear. They decide which candidates to promote. Virtually all the NRA’s activities are carried out in pursuit of a single goal: Helping the firearms industry sell more guns.

If you think you have any power compared to them, you’re delusional.

+1.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Check your history and what Harris even supported in 2005. You will find that registration performed before the nazis led to the nazis being able to sieze weapons years later.

Can you guarantee no one will do so in the future?

Invalid slippery slope argument. A national gun registry doesn’t inevitably lead to a holocaust.

This is the same argument y’all make against red flag laws: “why punish someone based on what they might do in the future? They haven’t committed any crime yet!” Pick a lane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

Why do you even talking about. Trump has his national guard in DC sweeping areas and taking guns right now. And that is the maga hero doing that.

That’s normal for a crime fighting operation. Police do it all the time in urban hot spots.

If it alarms you, feel free to take up arms and defend against this unjust tyranny. Isn’t that the purpose of the 2A?

[Anonymous]

This country is so violent that even if all guns were banned tomorrow, bombings/ explosions will probably become more common from Incels like what happens in other countries. There are lots of misfits among us with clueless parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you don't really wish me luck. I assume you're still eagerly awaiting more school slaughters so that you get the opportunity to loosen more restrictions.

Hopefully spouting twisted things like this on an anonymous forum makes you bearable in the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You let me know when a gun points itself and pulls the trigger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Check your history and what Harris even supported in 2005. You will find that registration performed before the nazis led to the nazis being able to sieze weapons years later.

Can you guarantee no one will do so in the future?

Invalid slippery slope argument. A national gun registry doesn’t inevitably lead to a holocaust.

This is the same argument y’all make against red flag laws: “why punish someone based on what they might do in the future? They haven’t committed any crime yet!” Pick a lane.

So where else has it happened?

History shows it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Check your history and what Harris even supported in 2005. You will find that registration performed before the nazis led to the nazis being able to sieze weapons years later.

Can you guarantee no one will do so in the future?

Invalid slippery slope argument. A national gun registry doesn’t inevitably lead to a holocaust.

This is the same argument y’all make against red flag laws: “why punish someone based on what they might do in the future? They haven’t committed any crime yet!” Pick a lane.

So where else has it happened?

History shows it.

Nope. MAGA dismissed all the valid concerns about Trump. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

Why do you even talking about. Trump has his national guard in DC sweeping areas and taking guns right now. And that is the maga hero doing that.

That’s normal for a crime fighting operation. Police do it all the time in urban hot spots.

If it alarms you, feel free to take up arms and defend against this unjust tyranny. Isn’t that the purpose of the 2A?

Fyi, they have them picking up trash for $500 a day. The point is it's not just wacko libs that are in favor of getting guns out of our communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record. That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers. Not to purchasers. The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database. And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database. So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals. That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event? Got it.

No, a database didn’t play a role because no such database exists. That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.

That sounds like doing police work.

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

Why do you even talking about. Trump has his national guard in DC sweeping areas and taking guns right now. And that is the maga hero doing that.

That’s normal for a crime fighting operation. Police do it all the time in urban hot spots.

If it alarms you, feel free to take up arms and defend against this unjust tyranny. Isn’t that the purpose of the 2A?

Fyi, they have them picking up trash for $500 a day. The point is it's not just wacko libs that are in favor of getting guns out of our communities.

Try telling that to the wacko cons on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you don't really wish me luck. I assume you're still eagerly awaiting more school slaughters so that you get the opportunity to loosen more restrictions.

Hopefully spouting twisted things like this on an anonymous forum makes you bearable in the real world.

“Thoughts and prayers” is code for more gun rights. Don’t worry, I’m sure you won’t have to wait long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you don't really wish me luck. I assume you're still eagerly awaiting more school slaughters so that you get the opportunity to loosen more restrictions.

Hopefully spouting twisted things like this on an anonymous forum makes you bearable in the real world.

“Thoughts and prayers” is code for more gun rights. Don’t worry, I’m sure you won’t have to wait long.

I’m praying for your poor husband at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you don't really wish me luck. I assume you're still eagerly awaiting more school slaughters so that you get the opportunity to loosen more restrictions.

Hopefully spouting twisted things like this on an anonymous forum makes you bearable in the real world.

“Thoughts and prayers” is code for more gun rights. Don’t worry, I’m sure you won’t have to wait long.

I’m praying for your poor husband at this point.

I’m sure that will be every bit as effective as your prayers for massacred schoolchildren.

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Anonymous wrote:You let me know when a gun points itself and pulls the trigger.

Sure, just as soon as you let us know when someone kills 40 people in one minute with a knife.

40 people? You could kill 400 people in one minute with a big truck.

Remember the guy that did that in France several years ago? The media called him a “gunman” - because he had a gun in his pocket when he was driving over crowds of people. The headlines were “Gunman in France kills 80 people in truck attack”.

Because it ALWAYS has to be about the gun…