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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“Persistent, searchable database.”

Is that like a regular old boring database, but with extra names, like when Mom calls Larlo by his full name “Larlolargo Campagne Maleffluente,” to show she’s really mad?

How would it differ from the one that seems to have allowed authorities to determine in just minutes where the MN sicko got his guns and that the purchases had complied with all of MN’s very extensive and stringent regulations?[/quote]

They executed a search warrant on his residence and found the purchase record.  That's how.

ATF only has a database that tracks guns going from manufacturers to dealers.  Not to purchasers.  The 4473s are currently only held by the retailer, they are not entered into any central ATF database.  And in fact the NRA pushed legislation to make it illegal for ATF to put it into a central database.  So there's no central system to help identify and flag someone who may have bought 2000 guns over the span of 10 years to resell to criminals.  That alone is a crystal clear demonstration of a broken system, and those expected to "enforce the current laws" having their hands tied and being blindfolded.[/quote]

So, no database, persistent, searchable, or otherwise, played any role in determining the source of the MN shooter’s firearms, and would not have played any such role in any event?  Got it.[/quote]

No, a database didn’t play a role [b]because no such database exists.[/b] That’s the problem.

Authorities had to do it the hard way: get search warrants, dig through the shooter’s residence, manually comb through papers and devices, and hope they’d find a receipt. They got lucky. But luck isn’t a strategy, and it’s certainly not a substitute for a functioning system.

Now imagine how different that would be if we had a persistent, searchable database of gun transfers. The moment the suspect was identified, investigators could have pulled up:

- Whether he himself bought the gun, and if he bought it,
- When and where he bought it
- Whether his background check came back in time and what he put on his 4473 form
- Whether he’d purchased other weapons recently
- If he was at the store with others buying guns at the same time
- If he and the others bought more guns at other stores

Instead of hours or days of manual work, it could take minutes.

Let’s put it in terms even the “enforce the laws we already have” crowd should grasp: Suppose a mass shooter files off the serial number and destroys the receipt. Without a database, the trail goes cold. Unless a gun shop employee happens to remember him, and happens to call the police, there’s no way to trace the weapon.

Now imagine we do have a database. Investigators search the suspect’s name and discover he bought multiple guns, along with several associates who also made large purchases with him, across different stores. Suddenly, what looked like a lone wolf is now a coordinated cell, and law enforcement has leads, patterns, and names.

That’s the difference between reactive chaos and proactive intelligence. And the reason we don’t have that system? Because lobbying groups made sure it’s illegal to build one.

So yes, we “have laws.” But we’ve also deliberately blinded the people tasked with enforcing them. That’s not liberty. That’s sabotage.[/quote]

That sounds like doing police work.[/quote]

Why not make it easier for them to do their job and catch the bad guys?[/quote]

No one in history would ever use those lists to confiscate weapons from their political opponents. There's no way that could possibly ever lead to killing millions of people in a holocaust.

Painters from Austria would never ever consider it.[/quote]

Who will be confiscating your guns? Kamala Harris? Joe Biden? What specific actions have they taken that lead you to believe they’re planning to disarm the population as a prelude to concentration camps and genocide?

I mean, people see worrisome tendencies in Trump, but a) he’s not going after you, you’re his base  b) whenever Democrats raise similar concerns, we’re told we’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

So: you’re being histrionic and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Check your history and what Harris even supported in 2005. You will find that registration performed before the nazis led to the nazis being able to sieze weapons years later.

Can you guarantee no one will do so in the future?[/quote]

Invalid slippery slope argument.  A national gun registry doesn’t inevitably lead to a holocaust.

This is the same argument y’all make against red flag laws: “why punish someone based on what they might do in the future? They haven’t committed any crime yet!”  Pick a lane.[/quote]

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