RFKjr Tapped to Head HHS

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever Trumpers applaud these ludicrous picks it makes it blatantly obvious they have no concern for the country.

All the MAGA people say "liberals' heads are exploding!" and laugh or revel over the hysteria. They never commend the pick for their credentials. They are completely blind to the fact that these people are dangerous and will endanger our lives and those of our children.

Not my kids. If we need to go to Canada and pay out of pocket to vaccinate, that’s what we do. Because we can afford to. Can’t do anyth8ng about dead MAGA kids.

You realize vaccines will still be available here for anyone who wants them, right? But do continue making up dystopian scenarios to feed your delusions.
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PP is having a hysterical moment. Nothing said here about mass deaths and vaccines is remotely realistic. People are mentioning diseases like Typhus and Ebola which aren't a part of the standard vaccination schedule anyway. It's a freak out. Just like the stupid "winter of death" threats from Biden when uptake of Covid vaccines had declined and it became obvious that Covid unvaxxed are not going to take the shot even despite all the mandates and vaxxports and horrible denigrating propaganda from mainstream media and celebrities. While it's entirely possible that childhood vaccination schedule will be revised and it would be very easy to opt out of any vaccinations, it doesn't mean that they won't be available to those who want them or not covered by insurance.

Vaccination programs become fairly ineffective when too many people don’t take them. You know this.

If they prevent infection how are they ineffective? Your vaccine should protect you if it works.. Plus there are treatments too. Are these diseases we are over-vaccinating our kids for (no other country has so many shots) a major concern or do we have other major health concerns now?

No vaccine prevents infection 100% of the time across the entire population. But if fewer people are vaccinated, more people become sick and in turn have an opportunity to spread the sickness to others, including the people unfortunate enough to not gain sufficient immunity despite being vaccinated. More spread also means the pathogen has more opportunity to evolve and circumvent an existing vaccine.

Also, the diseases “aren’t a major” concern because we’re vaccinating. If we stop, they’ll become a major concern again.

Do you believe vaccinated can transmit asymptomatically? Because this is what we were conditioned to accept during Covid times. If you are doubting effectiveness of any vaccine to stop infection then you admit that vaccinated can also transmit and infect others, and this means that they only provide personal protection at most. So, again, if you have a choice to take your vaccine isn't it all you need?

It’s not either or. Vaccines reduce transmission even when they don’t prevent it entirely. I think you know that.

Are you trying to bully me into "knowing that" (e.g. agreeing with you)? No, I don't know that. There is enough room for reasonable doubt especially after the Covid "asymptomatic" spread lockdowns.

NP here. Clearly, you don't know much. Please pick up a science textbook.

"Science textbook". If your understanding of this subject matter comes from the "science textbook", I am done wasting my time Or maybe you can tell us since you are so "educated" what techniques are used to identify and sequence viruses, and how fragile RNA is produced in quantities for the vaccines or even how our regular vaccines are produced and what's in them.

Ypouve got to walk before run. Start with the basics. I can tell from your comment you have no understanding of what you're speaking of and are sampling parroting talking points from some vlogger.

You're pulling a Lauren Boebert

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Anonymous wrote:I mean I already eat a good diet - but I hope people are prepared for how expensive food is going to get without fertilizer, preservatives, and pesticides.

Factory farming is an abomination in every way and if Brain Worm Jr can put an end to it I guess I'll take a few more measles deaths for that. Guess what gets more expensive without factory farming? Yeah, meat. As a vegetarian that's fine with me, of course.

Anyway!

Kids dying is hilarious. Or maybe they won't die maybe they will lose their hearing or become mentally disabled. But great you're a vegetarian!

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Trump voters wanted this. Don’t blame us when the next pandemic hit and all the scientists have abandoned HHS and RFK Jr is babbling in his squeaky voice about flouride in the water while people die.

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So why does my dr at Mayo insist I vaccinate?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the stable geniuses at the helm realize issues like obesity are a much bigger problem they realize and that solutions are going to be highly unpalatable.

RFK: why can't people just eat healthy fresh foods? Are they stupid!??

Country: uhhh Mr. Kennedy, you realize most of us are poor and didn't grow up with a silver spoon in our mouths like you, sir. Fresh foods are extraordinarily more expensive than packaged processed foods.

RFK: ok, then we will make processed foods more expensive than healthier foods to change habits.

It'll be funny when they find out to make junk foods more expensive than good healthy stuff, they will need to significantly cut subsidies to farmers who are making way too much corn and soybeans, which are used to make processes junk at reduced costs. Somehow I think all of those red state reps and senators will get mad when they start proposing cutting farm subsidies to make junk foods more expensive.

Except they actually aren’t that expensive. Ground beef is maybe $5 per pound on average. A dozen eggs are conservatively $4 a dozen. Butter is cheap. A pound of ground beef, 4 eggs, 4 tablespoons of butter gets you 1700 “calories” (which are a stupid measure of energy) per day at a daily cost of under $7.50 per day, which is $225 per person ina. 30-day month.

Many. many people don't have this.

Perhaps if someone is homeless they don’t have a $7.50/day budget per person for food. Otherwise, nonsense. People are spending way more than that on shoes and cell phones.

Eating healthy takes work. Work people don’t want to do. Often times, their station in life is a direct result of work they also don’t want to do.

It’s easier to watch TikTok and eat garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean I already eat a good diet - but I hope people are prepared for how expensive food is going to get without fertilizer, preservatives, and pesticides.

Factory farming is an abomination in every way and if Brain Worm Jr can put an end to it I guess I'll take a few more measles deaths for that. Guess what gets more expensive without factory farming? Yeah, meat. As a vegetarian that's fine with me, of course.

Anyway!

We are wasting a lot of food, this is also a fact. Vast quantities of cheap food isn't always a good thing (especially perishable food) we need to learn to be efficient and also focus on quality and not quantity.

Hey fine with me. I think the "eggs are too expensive" crowd might feel differently. We'll see!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the stable geniuses at the helm realize issues like obesity are a much bigger problem they realize and that solutions are going to be highly unpalatable.

RFK: why can't people just eat healthy fresh foods? Are they stupid!??

Country: uhhh Mr. Kennedy, you realize most of us are poor and didn't grow up with a silver spoon in our mouths like you, sir. Fresh foods are extraordinarily more expensive than packaged processed foods.

RFK: ok, then we will make processed foods more expensive than healthier foods to change habits.

It'll be funny when they find out to make junk foods more expensive than good healthy stuff, they will need to significantly cut subsidies to farmers who are making way too much corn and soybeans, which are used to make processes junk at reduced costs. Somehow I think all of those red state reps and senators will get mad when they start proposing cutting farm subsidies to make junk foods more expensive.

Except they actually aren’t that expensive. Ground beef is maybe $5 per pound on average. A dozen eggs are conservatively $4 a dozen. Butter is cheap. A pound of ground beef, 4 eggs, 4 tablespoons of butter gets you 1700 “calories” (which are a stupid measure of energy) per day at a daily cost of under $7.50 per day, which is $225 per person ina. 30-day month.

Many. many people don't have this.

They'll have to find it because prices are going to go up up up under ol Dr Brainworm

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Anonymous wrote:I mean I already eat a good diet - but I hope people are prepared for how expensive food is going to get without fertilizer, preservatives, and pesticides.

Factory farming is an abomination in every way and if Brain Worm Jr can put an end to it I guess I'll take a few more measles deaths for that. Guess what gets more expensive without factory farming? Yeah, meat. As a vegetarian that's fine with me, of course.

Anyway!

Kids dying is hilarious. Or maybe they won't die maybe they will lose their hearing or become mentally disabled. But great you're a vegetarian!

What would you like me to do? Cry and protest? Nope - this is what people voted for. Now you get it.

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Anonymous wrote:So why does my dr at Mayo insist I vaccinate?

Mine recommends the same. Some geniuses get their medical guidance from DCUM. Don't be one of them.

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First on his list should be putting soda on the list of things people can’t buy with food stamps.

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Anonymous wrote:First on his list should be putting soda on the list of things people can’t buy with food stamps.

I would rather he do this than go after vaccines. Then again, Trump will likely just get rid of food stamps, period.

-Dem

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Anonymous wrote:It’s true! We are a disgusting sloppy, crap eating drug using mess of a country. I live RFK’s ideas but no way will he actually be able to change anything if he’s even confirmed. The lobby is too big and the damage is too deep.

And Trump and Congressional republicans don’t want it to be better. Getting Big Pharma out and rehabilitating our food system is not a new idea. Folks should watch some of the documentaries already out about this.

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?

Does a researcher and nurse at the vrc who verbally told me they sped up the study count?

Stop spreading disinformation based on hearsay. This is stupid. Of course timelines were accelerated. But the trials were double-blinded and placebo-contolled. It's all in the public record. You can see the study designs yourself in ClinicalTrials.gov.

And while you're looking at the Pfizer one, note that the vaccine group had more total deaths than the control.

You realize this was published in NEJM, and this is not true. See the supplementary tables. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577#supplementary-materials

And I should add- although there were more deaths in the placebo group, it did not come close to reaching statistical significance.

Pfizer's six month trial report: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full-text

"During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4)."

Then based on these data, they tried to impose this vaccine on 200+ million workers and told you the world would end if people didn't take it. That's what experts did.

You don't seem to realize that 15 deaths vs. 14 deaths is no where close to statistical significance. The death rate was essentially equal in both groups.

And you don't seem to realize that making wide-ranging and punitive policy based on fear mongering while the data were inconclusive is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s true! We are a disgusting sloppy, crap eating drug using mess of a country. I live RFK’s ideas but no way will he actually be able to change anything if he’s even confirmed. The lobby is too big and the damage is too deep.

And Trump and Congressional republicans don’t want it to be better. Getting Big Pharma out and rehabilitating our food system is not a new idea. Folks should watch some of the documentaries already out about this.

I am as negative on Big Pharma as the next person, but that and the food system are not really the problem. Average Americans can navigate eating real food if they actually spend time on it to educate themselves and do the work necessary to not live a life of ultimate convenience. But they aren't going to do that. So it really doesn't matter what "systematic" things are in place - it just makes a bad outcome worse.

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Anonymous wrote:RFK is for vaccines if properly tested... silence

Big pharma has control over the Democrats... silence

RFK will Make America Healthy Again.... UGGHHH!

Vaccines are properly tested. That's what anti vax nitwits don't understand. Or they do understand it and refuse to believe it because the data show vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective. Vaccine are tested in clinical trials. They even publish the results publicly in peer reviewed journals.

So many idiots on the Internet can't understand it and will just say 'corruption!!!' when the trial data don't go their way.

DP. What is considered "proper" is widely debated. Many of us skeptics would like vaccines to be tested against inert placebos, instead of using other vaccines as a "control." We also are inherently suspicious of the "vaccine court" and its impartiality.

Personally, I won't trust vaccines until we get a longitudinal study with the current vax schedule, an older vax schedule and an unvaccinated control group. I suspect vaccine utility peaked decades ago, but no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole.

Please describe a clinical trial testing a vaccine against a placebo. Do you give 500 children the vaccine, 500 get the placebo, and expose them all to the disease and see which ones survive? I’m genuinely interested in your description of this trial.

lol. Clearly the PP is a clinician and understands the ethics…..


What a nutcase.

These circular "ethics" are what ultimately the vaccinators have to hid behind. It would be unethical to not give kids them, because we know they work so well even though we've never proven them to be a net positive. Please ignore the visible decline in children's health over the years.

Someday, somewhere someone is going to put vaccines to a real test. It's only a matter of time.

So again, can you describe the clinical trial you envision to support what you believe?

Start with stating your null hypothesis. Then describe the comparison groups, the intervention, and the length of follow-up needed. If you can do that I’ll even do your power and sample size calculations.

Believe me I know this thing would be massive. You want at least three groups, unvaccinated, current vax schedule, and some intermediate schedule. Track for life, each group representative of child population. Measure hospitalization, deaths, disability. Probably could bring on sponsors to measure related outcomes, and defray some cost. Think Anne E Casey Foundation and the like.

But it would put all the vaccination nonsense to bed one way or another, which makes it worth it.

For this to work as a clinical trial, you would have to randomize each individual to one of the 3 groups. Do you believe that is feasible? Otherwise it is an observational study that would introduce too much bias to prove anything.

Also, still need the null hypothesis. That is the first step in any study design.

AND you would to drop them in places where vaccination rates are high vs a country where they are not.