Waiver for HB Woodlawn

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Anonymous wrote:The lottery is available to anyone in the county who wants to attend. Your kid had the same shot mine did. That’s fair. You only think it’s not because yours didn’t win the random lottery.

Should we get rid of everything in APS that all kids can’t have exactly the same? How about AP classes? Sports teams?

Multiple people are replying here. How do you know who entered the lottery or how old their kids are? You are looking at this from a "you" perspective and some people are looking at it from a "community" perspective. We get it, you won the lottery so you are good with it. You are entitled to your opinion. Other people see it differently.

Why not make it a magnet school, so at least students who worked hard and excelled could perceive to deserve it.

But right now with lottery, there is always the perception that someone can sneak in.

I would prefer to invest in neighborhood schools since magnets have their own fairness problems

The perception that someone can sneak in is only in your mind, and isn't a real problem.

BS. I know so many siblings at HB from NA schools. That’s fishy as he11.

Hahaha, so you know some siblings at HB, so there must be something fishy? Thanks for the window into how your little mind works. I know so many families who did not get siblings into HB, including my own. What do you make of that?

The odds of siblings getting in is VERY small.

Your case is typical. Obv there are some lottery entrees, it’s not all rigged. That would be too easy to spot.

What is your point exactly? And why the ad hominem attack on my “mind”?

Ok, tell us then. What are the odds of a younger sibling getting in vs the number of siblings who actually do get in?

About 1%.

I knew of two siblings at the school.

Each year there average about 20 kids from our school applying (and it was more before the private exodus), with 2 spots that 10%.

So two 10% chances means that it’s a 1% chance they both get in.

2 siblings at the school isn't that many. That's very different from 2 siblings getting in every year, which is how you calculated your odds. Also even if there were 2 each year, each little sibling has a 10 percent chance to get in. The second applicant's chances don't go down just because the first one got it. It's like when you flip a coin, the odds are always 50-50, the odds of a tail don't change on the second toss based on the first toss.

But the odds of both being tails is 25%. Just like if each has a 10% chance of getting in, the chance of both getting in is 1%.

But each sibling isn't in the same lottery. They are in entirely different lotteries, each of which have their own odds depending on how many kids apply that year.

We are talking about two independent coin flips. Just like two independent lotteries.

Yes but unlike a coin flip, the odds of each lottery are not the same because a different number of kids apply every year.

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Anonymous wrote:The lottery is available to anyone in the county who wants to attend. Your kid had the same shot mine did. That’s fair. You only think it’s not because yours didn’t win the random lottery.

Should we get rid of everything in APS that all kids can’t have exactly the same? How about AP classes? Sports teams?

Multiple people are replying here. How do you know who entered the lottery or how old their kids are? You are looking at this from a "you" perspective and some people are looking at it from a "community" perspective. We get it, you won the lottery so you are good with it. You are entitled to your opinion. Other people see it differently.

Why not make it a magnet school, so at least students who worked hard and excelled could perceive to deserve it.

But right now with lottery, there is always the perception that someone can sneak in.

I would prefer to invest in neighborhood schools since magnets have their own fairness problems

The perception that someone can sneak in is only in your mind, and isn't a real problem.

BS. I know so many siblings at HB from NA schools. That’s fishy as he11.

Hahaha, so you know some siblings at HB, so there must be something fishy? Thanks for the window into how your little mind works. I know so many families who did not get siblings into HB, including my own. What do you make of that?

The odds of siblings getting in is VERY small.

Your case is typical. Obv there are some lottery entrees, it’s not all rigged. That would be too easy to spot.

What is your point exactly? And why the ad hominem attack on my “mind”?

Ok, tell us then. What are the odds of a younger sibling getting in vs the number of siblings who actually do get in?

About 1%.

I knew of two siblings at the school.

Each year there average about 20 kids from our school applying (and it was more before the private exodus), with 2 spots that 10%.

So two 10% chances means that it’s a 1% chance they both get in.

2 siblings at the school isn't that many. That's very different from 2 siblings getting in every year, which is how you calculated your odds. Also even if there were 2 each year, each little sibling has a 10 percent chance to get in. The second applicant's chances don't go down just because the first one got it. It's like when you flip a coin, the odds are always 50-50, the odds of a tail don't change on the second toss based on the first toss.

But the odds of both being tails is 25%. Just like if each has a 10% chance of getting in, the chance of both getting in is 1%.

But each sibling isn't in the same lottery. They are in entirely different lotteries, each of which have their own odds depending on how many kids apply that year.

We are talking about two independent coin flips. Just like two independent lotteries.

Yes but unlike a coin flip, the odds of each lottery are not the same because a different number of kids apply every year.

Okay? But looking at historical data for many schools it doesn’t vary much.

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HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:The lottery is available to anyone in the county who wants to attend. Your kid had the same shot mine did. That’s fair. You only think it’s not because yours didn’t win the random lottery.

Should we get rid of everything in APS that all kids can’t have exactly the same? How about AP classes? Sports teams?

Multiple people are replying here. How do you know who entered the lottery or how old their kids are? You are looking at this from a "you" perspective and some people are looking at it from a "community" perspective. We get it, you won the lottery so you are good with it. You are entitled to your opinion. Other people see it differently.

Why not make it a magnet school, so at least students who worked hard and excelled could perceive to deserve it.

But right now with lottery, there is always the perception that someone can sneak in.

I would prefer to invest in neighborhood schools since magnets have their own fairness problems

The perception that someone can sneak in is only in your mind, and isn't a real problem.

BS. I know so many siblings at HB from NA schools. That’s fishy as he11.

Hahaha, so you know some siblings at HB, so there must be something fishy? Thanks for the window into how your little mind works. I know so many families who did not get siblings into HB, including my own. What do you make of that?

The odds of siblings getting in is VERY small.

Your case is typical. Obv there are some lottery entrees, it’s not all rigged. That would be too easy to spot.

What is your point exactly? And why the ad hominem attack on my “mind”?

Ok, tell us then. What are the odds of a younger sibling getting in vs the number of siblings who actually do get in?

About 1%.

I knew of two siblings at the school.

Each year there average about 20 kids from our school applying (and it was more before the private exodus), with 2 spots that 10%.

So two 10% chances means that it’s a 1% chance they both get in.

2 siblings at the school isn't that many. That's very different from 2 siblings getting in every year, which is how you calculated your odds. Also even if there were 2 each year, each little sibling has a 10 percent chance to get in. The second applicant's chances don't go down just because the first one got it. It's like when you flip a coin, the odds are always 50-50, the odds of a tail don't change on the second toss based on the first toss.

But the odds of both being tails is 25%. Just like if each has a 10% chance of getting in, the chance of both getting in is 1%.

But each sibling isn't in the same lottery. They are in entirely different lotteries, each of which have their own odds depending on how many kids apply that year.

We are talking about two independent coin flips. Just like two independent lotteries.

Yes but unlike a coin flip, the odds of each lottery are not the same because a different number of kids apply every year.

Okay? But looking at historical data for many schools it doesn’t vary much.

But kids don’t get in all the same way, and that’s true for siblings too. I know a family with a kid who got in off the waitlist not having won the lottery. So if you factor that in odds are much higher.

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB has one teacher for each core class for each grade, divided into five classes, so they all get the same instruction. So each teacher will have 150 students now instead of 120, plus their counseling load? Or does HB have to hire someone to cover an additional period for every core class (that will have 30 kids in it)?

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB has one teacher for each core class for each grade, divided into five classes, so they all get the same instruction. So each teacher will have 150 students now instead of 120, plus their counseling load? Or does HB have to hire someone to cover an additional period for every core class (that will have 30 kids in it)?

Some classes are smaller than others. Co-taught classes, I think, are more highly populated. Electives don't seem to be that crowded.

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB's classes are larger than you think. HB combines AP and regular into one class taught at the same time by one teacher. That doesn't show up on paper, but it sure shows up in reality.

It's funny how non HB parents seem to think HB is some magical education, but I bet they'd scream and yell if their kids had to take AP in a regular class with the regular kids.

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB has one teacher for each core class for each grade, divided into five classes, so they all get the same instruction. So each teacher will have 150 students now instead of 120, plus their counseling load? Or does HB have to hire someone to cover an additional period for every core class (that will have 30 kids in it)?

Some classes are smaller than others. Co-taught classes, I think, are more highly populated. Electives don't seem to be that crowded.

Electives aren't on the red light chart, just core

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB's classes are larger than you think. HB combines AP and regular into one class taught at the same time by one teacher. That doesn't show up on paper, but it sure shows up in reality.

It's funny how non HB parents seem to think HB is some magical education, but I bet they'd scream and yell if their kids had to take AP in a regular class with the regular kids.

I don't know if my kid just caught their stride, but HB doesn't seem hard at all and my kid struggled in ES. (Went to Cardinal).

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Anonymous wrote:HBW should admit more students until it’s proportionally as overcrowded as the neighborhood schools. That improves overall fairness and actually helps the overcrowding. Having a hard cap while other schools grow without bounds is nonsense.

Not possible there’s no room for trailers.

WL has several red classrooms, HBW can be also be burdened with my larger classes no trailers needed

HB's classes are larger than you think. HB combines AP and regular into one class taught at the same time by one teacher. That doesn't show up on paper, but it sure shows up in reality.

It's funny how non HB parents seem to think HB is some magical education, but I bet they'd scream and yell if their kids had to take AP in a regular class with the regular kids.

I don't know if my kid just caught their stride, but HB doesn't seem hard at all and my kid struggled in ES. (Went to Cardinal).

H-B is taught at sped level to account for all of the sped kids that go there. Almost every class is blended until you get to the (literally) 4 or 5 self selecting classes in jr/sr year. Even then the kids aren't taught very well, especially since a couple of those teachers quit or retired in the past couple of years. Also, the average AP scores in some of those classes are below 3, if you understand the implications. Unless your kid's goal is to excel at being slightly above average, there really is no rigor at the school.

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If it's this bad, why are parents clamoring to go there?

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Anonymous wrote:If it's this bad, why are parents clamoring to go there?

It's a shiny new building and people don't like schools being what they perceive as too big and/or overcrowded. Also, because of self-selection of having to take action to register for a lottery, you are guaranteeing kids who have some level of parental involvement.

A big public school is always going to offer more activities and more differentiation just because of sheer volume of students.

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Anonymous wrote:If it's this bad, why are parents clamoring to go there?

It's a shiny new building and people don't like schools being what they perceive as too big and/or overcrowded. Also, because of self-selection of having to take action to register for a lottery, you are guaranteeing kids who have some level of parental involvement.

A big public school is always going to offer more activities and more differentiation just because of sheer volume of students.

If your kid is brilliant and a self starter and won’t fall in a slacker crowd, WL is excellent and YHS and WHS are pretty great.

If your kid might be challenged or need attention from a teacher to thrive, they will not be noticed at the supersized schools and will fall through cracks. They may be enticed to join a crew that skips class, vapes in the bathrooms, etc since their is so little oversight at these schools.