USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Bottles thrown at NYPD at NYU.

Nice non-violent protests. I imagine that burning things down comes next.

Oh, come now. They're mostly peaceful.

Trending the wrong way. DNC is going to see some real ugliness, which will help Trump.

Some things are more important than political horse races, you know.

Funny. For me, the well-being of the United States of America is FAR more important than anything happening in Israel/Gaza.

Helping the poor and working class, the environment, protecting women's rights--all priorities for me.

Perhaps your loyalties lie elsewhere.

+1

also, for gd's sake, do you think you are going to come out better than you are now if trump is reelected? do you think a single person in gaza will be better off?

There is little difference between Trump and Biden in term on Gaza or the Palestinians. The only difference being is Trump will knife Israel in the back if Bibi is still in control.

well if that's what you honestly believe - wrongly i think, but forget that - then is there not any other issue you care enough about to actually choose one over the other?

let's say it's not abortion, because then this would be an easy choice. nothing else? nothing?

It is very naïve to believe that all women are pro-abortion. It is not as easy a choice as you would think.

I care more about Biden rolling back Title IX and our border being overrun with illegal immigrants than anything happening across the ocean. But if these rich terrorist start causing me personal trouble, i.e., I miss a flight because they block the entrance to an airport, then I will be all in voting for someone willing to destroy them.

And we all know who that would be.

You must be a man. All pregnant women are affected by new bans, including women who very much want a healthy baby. GOP will kill women through lack of access to healthcare. It goes so beyond being pro choice or not.

Nope, a woman. Not all women are 100% behind abortion for any reason. I care far more about my safety in sex segregated spaces and schools that are being crushed under the weight of catering to illegal alien children.

Those things affect my everyday life more than getting an abortion.

You are not a woman because you don't understand the very basic pregnancy issues I am talking about. It's not about abortion, it's about bleeding while pregnant with a WANTED child, and ERs refusing to see you and save your life and the life of your baby.

Do not underestimate the stupidity of other women. There are a lot of women out there who lack the imagination and intellectual capability of seeing their own daughters or granddaughters in such a nightmare scenario. For these women, they never believe that such horrors affect them or would affect their own family, until, of course, it does. Only then do they realize that they supported the wrong candidate. It's like how so many Republicans don't support gay rights until their own kid comes out of the closet. It's a special kind of conservatism that fails to understand the point until they experience things directly form themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

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People act like students have never protested before. It's happened many times in our history. It's what students do. It's a catch 22 for college presidents. I don't envy them. No matter what they do, they get criticized.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Just curious, in your view, since Jews presumably did not come from outer space, which piece of land DID they come from?

Khazaria: https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/khazaria-forgotten-jewish-empire

Which also explains their obsession with Ukraine.

This has been proven false and is something often repeated by bigots.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like students have never protested before. It's happened many times in our history. It's what students do. It's a catch 22 for college presidents. I don't envy them. No matter what they do, they get criticized.

Sure. My wife got locked up for protesting against 187 in CA.

But this is the first time I can recall students protesting to support the annihilation of a nation.

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Good for the protests. We should all be protesting the horrors against INNOCENT people. 33k+ have died in Gaza because Israel is hell bent on revenge. Yeah, they got hit and they shouldn't have been, yeah, they have innocents held hostages and they shouldn't be, yeah, they have a right to defend themselves. They act like they have carte blanche now to do anything and everything they want against a whole separate nationality. They DO NOT. No country should have that right. THIS is what everyone is protesting - the Jews do not have any right to suggest they are better than any other nationality just because they went through some shit. Absolutely ZERO right. And they deserve to be called out on their arrogance - that's not anti-semitism. I'm sick of all criticism against Jews labelled as such.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like students have never protested before. It's happened many times in our history. It's what students do. It's a catch 22 for college presidents. I don't envy them. No matter what they do, they get criticized.

Sure. My wife got locked up for protesting against 187 in CA.

But this is the first time I can recall students protesting to support the annihilation of a nation.

Which one?

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Anonymous wrote:Good for the protests. We should all be protesting the horrors against INNOCENT people. 33k+ have died in Gaza because Israel is hell bent on revenge. Yeah, they got hit and they shouldn't have been, yeah, they have innocents held hostages and they shouldn't be, yeah, they have a right to defend themselves. They act like they have carte blanche now to do anything and everything they want against a whole separate nationality. They DO NOT. No country should have that right. THIS is what everyone is protesting - the Jews do not have any right to suggest they are better than any other nationality just because they went through some shit. Absolutely ZERO right. And they deserve to be called out on their arrogance - that's not anti-semitism. I'm sick of all criticism against Jews labelled as such.

You couldn't even separate Israeli from Jews in your post. Which clearly illustrates a major part of the problem we're having with these protests and their inability to separate country from faith.

My stance goes back to the same issue that is always at the core of the tension, no one has an alternative solution for what Israel should have done following October 7. And it's because there really isn't one. Either Israel is allowed to defend itself and respond to a severe and brutal act of terrorism of breathtaking savagery, or it's not. It's that simple.

There also isn't anything preventing Hamas from surrendering and letting Israel shut down the tunnels and getting their hostages back and stopping using their people as human shields. And stop plotting terror attacks. But they won't because they're enabled by people like you. All those donations to Gaza - billions and billions - over the years from people like you went into building the tunnels and plotting terrorism. Think about that long and hard.

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Anonymous wrote:This country is turning into a totalitarian mess. Protesting peacefully is a right

Being on private property and refusing to leave is not protesting, it is trespassing.

No
Students were there legally and a protest is legal
Trespassing has a different legal definition

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like students have never protested before. It's happened many times in our history. It's what students do. It's a catch 22 for college presidents. I don't envy them. No matter what they do, they get criticized.

Sure. My wife got locked up for protesting against 187 in CA.

But this is the first time I can recall students protesting to support the annihilation of a nation.

Which one?

Most of the protesters support the elimination/abolishment/dismantling/annihilation of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

Sounds just like “ war could stop TODAY if Ukraine surrenders”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

The genocide will continue until morale improves. This “war will end” talking point is so embarrassingly ignorant, it’s not even funny at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for the protests. We should all be protesting the horrors against INNOCENT people. 33k+ have died in Gaza because Israel is hell bent on revenge. Yeah, they got hit and they shouldn't have been, yeah, they have innocents held hostages and they shouldn't be, yeah, they have a right to defend themselves. They act like they have carte blanche now to do anything and everything they want against a whole separate nationality. They DO NOT. No country should have that right. THIS is what everyone is protesting - the Jews do not have any right to suggest they are better than any other nationality just because they went through some shit. Absolutely ZERO right. And they deserve to be called out on their arrogance - that's not anti-semitism. I'm sick of all criticism against Jews labelled as such.

You couldn't even separate Israeli from Jews in your post. Which clearly illustrates a major part of the problem we're having with these protests and their inability to separate country from faith.

My stance goes back to the same issue that is always at the core of the tension, no one has an alternative solution for what Israel should have done following October 7. And it's because there really isn't one. Either Israel is allowed to defend itself and respond to a severe and brutal act of terrorism of breathtaking savagery, or it's not. It's that simple.

There also isn't anything preventing Hamas from surrendering and letting Israel shut down the tunnels and getting their hostages back and stopping using their people as human shields. And stop plotting terror attacks. But they won't because they're enabled by people like you. All those donations to Gaza - billions and billions - over the years from people like you went into building the tunnels and plotting terrorism. Think about that long and hard.

Or even negotiating a ceasefire that both parties can agree to. Even a temporary ceasefire. Even in exchange for five hostages.

They won't do it.

And yet the NPR piece I heard this morning, detailing the horrific losses of some families in Gaza, didn't even mention Hamas walking out of ceasefire negotiations, over and over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

The genocide will continue until morale improves. This “war will end” talking point is so embarrassingly ignorant, it’s not even funny at this point.

Yes, you and your "Israel must suicide itself to satisfy us" cronies keep saying the same thing