COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

DP, and not a teacher. PP, you are not being fair. You can question the decisions, talk about harm, or propose different ideas for the future, but individual teachers did their best to deliver virtual instruction. Seriously, you are out of line.

The people out of line are the ones who think they deserve sympathy for how hard virtual was ON TEACHERS

I'm not a teacher, but I do feel sympathy for teachers. Virtual was hard on everyone. We can have compassion for everyone impacted negatively by the pandemic.

I don't think you really care about kids. You just hate teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Yes, I am in blue Michigan. We were locked down hard in the spring and summer in 2020 but schools were free to resume in the fall. It was a district by district choice.

Whitmer has said she wouldn't do things the same, but she was going on the best advice available at the time.

The OP is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

Or y’all are going to have to find a way to cope with sounding more and more like people who deny that the moon landing occurred.

Maybe both!

Bless your heart. You probably still think kids wearing masks under their noses saved lives.

Bless your heart. You’re just throwing out any insult you can think of at this point. Help is available.

We wouldn't be in this situation but for the out of control health anxiety you and so many others have. I know you think you're being cute but we know this. Get help.

I guess do what you need to do, which is apparently…this?!

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

DP, and not a teacher. PP, you are not being fair. You can question the decisions, talk about harm, or propose different ideas for the future, but individual teachers did their best to deliver virtual instruction. Seriously, you are out of line.

The people out of line are the ones who think they deserve sympathy for how hard virtual was ON TEACHERS

I'm not a teacher, but I do feel sympathy for teachers. Virtual was hard on everyone. We can have compassion for everyone impacted negatively by the pandemic.

I don't think you really care about kids. You just hate teachers.

It was hard on some. We had no issues with it. Many people adapted just fine. Those who are still complaining about it three years later need to seek individual and family therapy if being home/spending more time with their family caused trauma as if your home sucks that much that you don't want to be there or with your kids, you need to change something for your kids sake.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

A job. Do you have one?

Ok, so, why are you posting here when you should be working. Clearly you have flexibility. How do you make it work summers? Everyone else made it work, why could you not?

Sensitive that you don't have a job where you're contributing to society?

I contribute plenty. Having a job is not necessarily contributing to society. It is contributing to your personal needs and household. If you did not work your job, someone else would. Or, it clearly isn't necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

A job. Do you have one?

Ok, so, why are you posting here when you should be working. Clearly you have flexibility. How do you make it work summers? Everyone else made it work, why could you not?

Sensitive that you don't have a job where you're contributing to society?

I think PP runs a household. That’s serious business. It also provides a soapbox to look down on the rest of us.

And, yet here you are at the same time commenting.. clearly you aren't working, so why comment about if others work or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

Or y’all are going to have to find a way to cope with sounding more and more like people who deny that the moon landing occurred.

Maybe both!

Bless your heart. You probably still think kids wearing masks under their noses saved lives.

Bless your heart. You’re just throwing out any insult you can think of at this point. Help is available.

We wouldn't be in this situation but for the out of control health anxiety you and so many others have. I know you think you're being cute but we know this. Get help.

DP and the covid trauma queens raving on this thread about "WE'LL NEVER FORGET" and "fire everyone who was working in education during the pandemic" take the cake for mental health effects of the pandemic. AND they insult and belittle the people with health anxiety.

Talk about out of control. And this kind of nonsense will not lead to constructive changes in education.

The big issue in education right now is the curriculum, teaching style, administration style, and lack of any discipline or structure. Having no textbooks, except in a few classes in HS is terrible. Teaching basics like Algebra without a book is really hard on kids. As is the lack of accountability. This started before covid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

DP, and not a teacher. PP, you are not being fair. You can question the decisions, talk about harm, or propose different ideas for the future, but individual teachers did their best to deliver virtual instruction. Seriously, you are out of line.

The people out of line are the ones who think they deserve sympathy for how hard virtual was ON TEACHERS

I'm not a teacher, but I do feel sympathy for teachers. Virtual was hard on everyone. We can have compassion for everyone impacted negatively by the pandemic.

I don't think you really care about kids. You just hate teachers.

It was hard on some. We had no issues with it. Many people adapted just fine. Those who are still complaining about it three years later need to seek individual and family therapy if being home/spending more time with their family caused trauma as if your home sucks that much that you don't want to be there or with your kids, you need to change something for your kids sake.

So the millions of kids who are seriously behind should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps eh?

This isn’t about you and your perfect parenting. We’ve got a big societal issue to deal with.

Virtual school past the fall of 2020 was a huge mistake. So was hybrid. It seemed safer at the time but not in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

DP, and not a teacher. PP, you are not being fair. You can question the decisions, talk about harm, or propose different ideas for the future, but individual teachers did their best to deliver virtual instruction. Seriously, you are out of line.

The people out of line are the ones who think they deserve sympathy for how hard virtual was ON TEACHERS

I'm not a teacher, but I do feel sympathy for teachers. Virtual was hard on everyone. We can have compassion for everyone impacted negatively by the pandemic.

I don't think you really care about kids. You just hate teachers.

It was hard on some. We had no issues with it. Many people adapted just fine. Those who are still complaining about it three years later need to seek individual and family therapy if being home/spending more time with their family caused trauma as if your home sucks that much that you don't want to be there or with your kids, you need to change something for your kids sake.

So the millions of kids who are seriously behind should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps eh?

This isn’t about you and your perfect parenting. We’ve got a big societal issue to deal with.

Virtual school past the fall of 2020 was a huge mistake. So was hybrid. It seemed safer at the time but not in the long run.

Millions of kids were behind prior to covid. What about them? Kids have been back in person for over two years. If they haven't caught up by now more is going on and covid wasn't the issue nor was virtual, but how our schools have functioned since reopening.

How do you think the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other relatives felt given your need to reopen everything and not care about the spread, which caused their family to get sick and lose a loved one? I'd rather a kid be behind them a dead parent. That is the reality many of the kids you are using as talking points faced.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Kids couldn't go to the playground, but hordes of people could gather en masse for BLM protests. With the explicit permission of public health officials.

See why some of us are jaded?

My kids went to the park and met their friends there the entire time during school closures. They also rotated houses each Weds when there were no online classes. Not sure why you’re jaded?!

Did you not read the news articles about closed playgrounds, parents getting ticketed for using playgrounds even when other kids weren’t around??

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

They were? Then explain the learning loss. How did that happen?

My kids had zero learning loss. We helped them, made sure they logged on and did their work, used the free tutors and more. Why did you not do that? Most kids who struggled always struggled but were ignored. If a middle schooler was struggling it was because the school and parents failed them before all this. Many kids have lots of unidentified needs and parents like you expect the schools to 100 percent fix them which will never happen. My best explanation is the dumbed down curriculum because of complaining parents like you, and those who did not monitor their kids. Mine were fine. So, how was your house structured where your kids were not and what did you do about it vs complain?

Look honey. If you embrace such an individualist approach, you can hardly then blame everyone else who does the same. Why would I “stay home to stop the spread” or whatever goofy mortalistic slogan, when per you everyone is completely on their own when it comes to education? If that’s the case then f teachers, open the school for *my* kid.

But anyway, this has been my thought since people first started to argue that teachers were just logically asserting their own interests. OK then, teachers unions just lost a whole lot of supporters …

The schools were kept virtual for multiple reasons including low income families in multigenerational housing where grandma was living with them, to the fact sone of our schools have 3000 students plus families with multiple kids at different schools. Covid is highly contagious and was deadly. If you cannot understand this and get out of your privileged bubble there is no hope for you. Many kids lots parents and grandparents and other relatives. Maybe not in your privilege bubble, but in your helps bubble.

Really, why was virtual so bad in your home?

We now know that school closures were a mistake. That’s the entire point of this thread. The science does not support their closure and frankly the evidence against extended closures was there from the very beginning and was ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

Do you have any idea how much additional planning and preparation is required to deliver instruction virtually even 4 days a week when the entire structure was never set up for anything that was not in person?

If you really want to avoid disruption like it again, you should be advocating for more of that planning and preparation when it’s not a crisis—not carping more about how it happened when it was a crisis.

cry me a freakin’ river, complaining about how hard virtual was for teachers! My kid had instruction from 9-1 with a 1 hr lunch, and often times they just ended at 11. 4 days/week.

DP, and not a teacher. PP, you are not being fair. You can question the decisions, talk about harm, or propose different ideas for the future, but individual teachers did their best to deliver virtual instruction. Seriously, you are out of line.

The people out of line are the ones who think they deserve sympathy for how hard virtual was ON TEACHERS

I'm not a teacher, but I do feel sympathy for teachers. Virtual was hard on everyone. We can have compassion for everyone impacted negatively by the pandemic.

I don't think you really care about kids. You just hate teachers.

It was hard on some. We had no issues with it. Many people adapted just fine. Those who are still complaining about it three years later need to seek individual and family therapy if being home/spending more time with their family caused trauma as if your home sucks that much that you don't want to be there or with your kids, you need to change something for your kids sake.

So the millions of kids who are seriously behind should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps eh?

This isn’t about you and your perfect parenting. We’ve got a big societal issue to deal with.

Virtual school past the fall of 2020 was a huge mistake. So was hybrid. It seemed safer at the time but not in the long run.

Millions of kids were behind prior to covid. What about them? Kids have been back in person for over two years. If they haven't caught up by now more is going on and covid wasn't the issue nor was virtual, but how our schools have functioned since reopening.

How do you think the kids who lost parents, grandparents and other relatives felt given your need to reopen everything and not care about the spread, which caused their family to get sick and lose a loved one? I'd rather a kid be behind them a dead parent. That is the reality many of the kids you are using as talking points faced.

This entirely line of thinking was a fallacy then and is a fallacy now.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

Are you five years old? You are still having a tantrum about this? You want an apology from whom exactly?

Good Lord.

I guess you're going to have to find a way to cope that people aren't just going to sweep this all under the rug and never mention it again.

Or y’all are going to have to find a way to cope with sounding more and more like people who deny that the moon landing occurred.

Maybe both!

Bless your heart. You probably still think kids wearing masks under their noses saved lives.

Bless your heart. You’re just throwing out any insult you can think of at this point. Help is available.

We wouldn't be in this situation but for the out of control health anxiety you and so many others have. I know you think you're being cute but we know this. Get help.

I guess do what you need to do, which is apparently…this?!

Better than doing a job so poorly it's considered a national failure.