Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

Or the host dies.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

Or the host dies.

Better yet!

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

I am not pro life and I think what this woman did was unacceptable.

Well girlfriend, you better get at it and start prosecuting all those miscarriages that have been flushed down the toilet.

Also, you might want to start a campaign to have them given baptisms, and last rights and funerals

And advocate for universal healthcare. No one should have to manage this at home.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did they find out about this?

I've never had a miscarriage, but a friend I walked to school with did and I came over one morning and there was a tiny fetus and lots of blood in the toilet. She buried it in a shoe box in her yard. To be honest I don't know what the proper disposal method is. But this made as much sense as anything else at that age (8th grade).

I’m so sorry. That poor girl. 13?

[Anonymous]

what is wrong with you people? read the psot. She left the fetus in the toilet "and went about with her life"

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

They made it up. No news report says that there were no time line's for the hospital visits.

Of course they did. They’ve fabricated an entire narrative with zero evidence.

Pro tip: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you don’t have much of a point.

Compassionate tip: don’t be a ghoul.

This woman lost her child.

She's didn't have an compassion when she went about her day and came back with a plunger to unclog her dead toilet baby. She had no compassion for her child at all. Some would say that's gloulish.

What does it mean that she "went about her day"? Please be specific. Timeline and all that.

DP
We don’t have that information yet. That’s just what the article said. But we’ll find out soon enough.

You do know that prosecutors can lie, it’s legal.

Like I said, we don’t have that information yet.

Then come back when you have more information and let the adults talk.

Wtf? I am the very first poster on this thread that said to wait until we have all the facts. Seems like you’re a little confused on who is the adult here.

Sorry OP… you don’t own this thread just because you started it. And you can’t stop the thread because you didn’t like what direction it went in.

The whole case is a travesty.

The men in Ohio are freaking out because women put abortion on the ballot and guess what we won and now they’re pissed.

Sorry, not sorry!

I am not OP. And I stand by my statement that we don’t have all the facts.

Then go away and let us discuss this like adults.

Adults don’t fabricate sh¡t in order to have a discussion.

I think this thread is immature 20 something's who haven't lived enough of real life so they have to make things up to feel real and an apart of the adult conversation.

I think it’s full of bunch of pro life. Idiots that don’t understand the fetuses die in your stomach and there’s insane men that want women to carry dead bodies in their stomach until nature extracts them.

Or the host dies.

Better yet!

Saves everyone dollar bux!

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Yes people making up that she "went about her day" as if they actually know what happened or what that means. People making up that she is a monster who abused a corpse. People making up the age of the fetus (as opposed to the stated pregnancy age) when they are not doctors or the woman herself. People making up that the fetus showed signs of injury when the doctor who examined the remains testified that it did not.

People making up that she was traumatized and therefore couldn’t bring herself to get the fetus out of the toilet. People making up that the fetus was partially disintegrated. People making up that a Catholic hospital did absolutely nothing for her and turned her away.
I mean the list goes on and on.

Some one made up it was a Catholic hospital, that she was turned away, that they kicked her out without treatment, also said it was because she was black and poor and that's why she was treated poorly. All of this is total bs.

They don't acknowledge that she went about her day and tried to flush a dead body. These are facts. Someone in her own household called 911 on her these are facts they don't awknowlege.

You don't know that these are not BS because you are not there reading all the facts in the case. So stop acting as judge by saying it is BS.

Especially because it is a FACT that black women, and poor women, have worse outcomes when it comes to pregnancy and medical attention to difficult pregnancies. It is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum if you were paying attention.

You also don't know as fact just how many weeks the fetus was. No, just because the prosecutor says 22 weeks does not mean that the fetus had lived to 22 weeks before the woman's body expelled it. Anyone who has gone through a miscarriage would know that. Many of us here have indicated that we had fetuses who died in utero and they carried them for 1, 2, even 3 weeks before the miscarriage took place.

Meanwhile you keep repeating that completely BS phrase "went about her day" that you stole from the biased prosecutors who use it to demonize someone who had a traumatic pregnancy experience. You can't even tell us what that means.

She was a drug addict that didn't want to call 911 for incriminating herself for killing her baby.

Except even drug addicts have babies alive. I've gotten enough sh&t from this page as a rpl sufferer that somehow I'm killing my babies. They don't want to believe that doctors have literally said to me that they can not prevent future miscarriages and they have no answers as to why I keep miscarrying pregnancies and I am beyond medical knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:what is wrong with you people? read the psot. She left the fetus in the toilet "and went about with her life"

Do you consider that a felony?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what is wrong with you people? read the psot. She left the fetus in the toilet "and went about with her life"

Which means ... what?

Surely you would not use the phrase if you did not know what it meant.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

The thread should be locked and deleted at this point.

Agree. Reporting now.

I just reported it too. This is 100% out of control and pretty shocking how many details they've made up in a few short hours it been posted. Discusting really.

Based on the known facts of the case, they have nothing to get riled up about. They needed to fabricate details to make their point. It’s sad really. They’re like those people that lie so much they actually start to believe that they’re telling the truth.

the known facts of this case are that a woman who suffered through a stillbirth or miscarriage at home is being prosecuted for a felony because she did not act the way the prosecutors think she should have acted in response. horrendous.

a very reasonable inference (not proven but reasonable) is that she was denied the care she should have gotten, which is the therepeutic abortion of a nonviable pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:what is wrong with you people? read the psot. She left the fetus in the toilet "and went about with her life"

do you know how many miscarriages are flushed? at what point does it become a felony? the women of Ohio need to know, since in between getting denied care for their high-risk pregnancies, this may happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what is wrong with you people? read the psot. She left the fetus in the toilet "and went about with her life"

What does that even mean? Do you know?

[Anonymous]

So, beyond debating details, it doesn’t sound like anyone here thinks this should be prosecuted as a felony.

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Anonymous wrote:So, beyond debating details, it doesn’t sound like anyone here thinks this should be prosecuted as a felony.

Nobody with the sound mind and body thinks this should be prosecuted as anything let alone a felony.

[Anonymous]

I had a stillborn at 22 weeks (in the hospital). At 22 weeks, it looks just like a very small baby. Mine weighed just over a pound.

The nurses wrapped her up in a swaddle so I could hold her. If she had hung on for another week, she would have probably been viable in a NICU.

Just for the record, the hospital (GW) required that we go to a funeral home for either burial or cremation. They don't just toss the baby away in a toilet.

People are reading this case completely wrong. She was not prosecuted for having a stillborn.