Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

I feel great empathy for Andrea Yates. She was in a highly abusive relationship which played a huge role. We have no idea what was going on with Lindsay Clancy and may never know unless there is a trial. I don’t believe the perfect mother and wife narrative that her husband is putting out there because clearly their social media presence was far removed from reality.

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Anonymous wrote:The Go fund me is now over $1 million dollars.

Wondering if they will close it now that their (obscene) goal has been reach. Doubt it...

+1. Someone really should shut it down. $1 million won't bring those kids back. Enough already.

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Anonymous wrote:The Go fund me is now over $1 million dollars.

Wondering if they will close it now that their (obscene) goal has been reach. Doubt it...

+1. Someone really should shut it down. $1 million won't bring those kids back. Enough already.

I would be embarrassed if I were the husband's family at this point. It's bordering on gross.

[Anonymous]

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This tells me that ANY new mother who admits having dark thoughts postpartum needs to immediately be placed in a mental hospital indefinitely. And that’s only the ones who will admit to these thoughts. Many women will mask symptoms as much as possible to avoid being taken away from her children. The mental health experts aren’t mind readers. Women and their families need to recognize this and take action immediately. We need to clearly identify when a new mother lacks capacity to make sound decisions. This is easier said than done though.

The women I’ve known who had postpartum psychosis had no previous mental illness, not any illnesses since treating the psychosis. And if you think women mask their depression symptoms now, wait until you announce that they’ll be locked up for being depressed.

Curious, how many women do you know with postpartum psychosis

[Anonymous]

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This tells me that ANY new mother who admits having dark thoughts postpartum needs to immediately be placed in a mental hospital indefinitely. And that’s only the ones who will admit to these thoughts. Many women will mask symptoms as much as possible to avoid being taken away from her children. The mental health experts aren’t mind readers. Women and their families need to recognize this and take action immediately. We need to clearly identify when a new mother lacks capacity to make sound decisions. This is easier said than done though.

The women I’ve known who had postpartum psychosis had no previous mental illness, not any illnesses since treating the psychosis. And if you think women mask their depression symptoms now, wait until you announce that they’ll be locked up for being depressed.

Curious, how many women do you know with postpartum psychosis

+1 PPP us extremely rare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Go fund me is now over $1 million dollars.

Wondering if they will close it now that their (obscene) goal has been reach. Doubt it...

+1. Someone really should shut it down. $1 million won't bring those kids back. Enough already.

I would be embarrassed if I were the husband's family at this point. It's bordering on gross.

It was bordering on gross about $750k ago…

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Anonymous wrote:The Go fund me is now over $1 million dollars.

Wondering if they will close it now that their (obscene) goal has been reach. Doubt it...

+1. Someone really should shut it down. $1 million won't bring those kids back. Enough already.

I would be embarrassed if I were the husband's family at this point. It's bordering on gross.

It was bordering on gross about $750k ago…

It honestly makes me suspicious of him, along with the statement he put out. Nobody really knows what was going on behind closed doors.

[Anonymous]

Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

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Anonymous wrote:Look she is a murderer. This is not complicated

This. 25 pages and this is still the answer.

Yes, we can blame PPD/PPP all we want but in the end, she viciously murdered her three children. It’s the same as the the mentally unstable school shooter, or a mentally ill father who kills his family, who we demonize. Why is PPD/PPP held to a higher standard and empathized with any more than schizophrenia or any other mental illness, or having a long history of being bullied and ostracized?

Postpartum illnesses ARE different than schizophrenia BECAUSE of how they arise. These illnesses are a direct result of predisposition, hormonal imbalances, lifestyle changes, and the many other circumstances that go into someone's mental state. People experiencing postpartum depression and anxiety often have a history of anxiety and depression, but people experiencing postpartum psychosis do not have a history of psychosis. They are not schizophrenic and when the psychosis breaks, they are largely the same people they were before, albeit with the consequences of whatever happened during the psychosis to grapple with.

Postpartum mental health problems have a huge history of stigmatization, even more so than other mental health problems. You need look no further than this thread to see that in action. The prosecutor understands what they're talking about. The posters who have experienced this or have family members who have. But most of you posters have no idea what you're talking about.

As for what treatment she was engaged in, there are various levels of psychiatric care. Your regular outpatient therapy appointments once a week or every other week is the lowest level. It sounded to me like Lindsay Clancy was in an intensive outpatient program, which is essentially 3-4 hours of therapy 3-5 times a week. When I worked in an IOP, it was group therapy, individual therapy, family therapy, and medication management. This was for teenagers, but those are pretty standard components of any higher level of psychiatric care. People who are deemed clinically appropriate for an IOP have been determined to not be actively suicidal or homicidal, not actively psychotic, etc. They are essentially deemed safe enough to stay at home. I don't know the extent to which any of Lindsay's doctors felt that it was safe for her to care for children or be alone with them, but it definitely sounds like her problems were more severe than anyone realized.

I just have a huge issue with the large number of posters who either don't believe that postpartum psychosis is a real thing. It remains to be seen what actually happened here, but it is mindblowing to me that what seems to be such a clear case of postpartum psychosis to me, and the prosecutor, and the PPs who have experience with psychosis, is such a clear case of something else to so many of you.

Murder committed by a woman suffering from PPD/PPP should not punished any differently than murders committed by other mentally ill people. Lindsay was presumably under or misdiagnosed as were probably most school shooters and mass murderers. This is where I have a major issue, we immediately demonize other murderers regardless of their past or present issues/illnesses. Why should PPD/PPP be held to a higher standard? Why? I have a real problem with this. Please explain to me why someone like Nicholas Cruz, who had a terrible childhood and most likely suffered from some mental illness, along with most school shooters, or even Chris Watts, how do we know he wasn’t suffering from some sort of mental illness? Most murderers don’t get a pass, any sympathy, except for postpartum white women.

I think Chris Watts killed his family because he was a selfish jerk who wanted a new life with a sexy lady. So no, I don’t have compassion for him. If he had killed his child because, say, the child was terminal and dying a slow and painful death, and Chris wanted his child to be free from pain, I’d have much more compassion for him.

After learning about Cruz’ life, my disgust shifted from him to his birth mother. I absolutely believe he has FAS and his brain is not wired right. Unfortunately, the way it is wired led him to kill a bunch of innocent people. He’d probably do it again. So, compassion or not, he needs to rot in jail. He is a danger to society.

Putting aside what Clancy will face legally, it just seems to me with proper medication and oversight (no more births), she’s not a danger to our society. She (likely) has a specific psychosis brought on by pregnancy / childbirth.

Lindsay Clancy worked as an L&D RN, I don’t care how medicated she is, I don’t want her caring for me or my baby ever. Luckily she won’t ever work again because she will be institutionalized or imprisoned for life.

I think you still don't understand that postpartum psychosis is not permanent. Women experiencing postpartum psychosis don't STAY psychotic. When the psychosis breaks, it is entirely possible that Lindsay Clancy will be as mentally healthy as you are, PP, albeit with a hell of a trauma to process and try, somehow, to overcome.

The baby was 7 months old and my understanding is that postpartum psychosis comes on very shortly after childbirth and does not last long, especially when treated. How do we know she had this? 7 months after giving birth doesn’t really match with how/when this typically presents. Are people just guessing or has her diagnosis been reported somewhere? Also usually it’s the first birth.

Ye. Why isn't this being talked about more?

Because it doesn’t fit the narrative that we must express sympathy and understanding for this killer unlike other mentally ill killers.

But she’s white! And young! And reasonably attractive! And active on social media! Of course she should walk free.

Ding ding ding - we have a winner. This is why hubs has also raised a cool mill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

I am curious as to who initially prescribed psych meds for her, bet it wasn’t a psych.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

I am curious as to who initially prescribed psych meds for her, bet it wasn’t a psych.

If your statement about 12 meds is correct, I have a hard time imagining any OB or PCP prescribing that many, or going through that many combinations, without referring to a psychiatrist.

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

I am curious as to who initially prescribed psych meds for her, bet it wasn’t a psych.

If your statement about 12 meds is correct, I have a hard time imagining any OB or PCP prescribing that many, or going through that many combinations, without referring to a psychiatrist.

Yes she was under a psych’s care later on, but I am talking initially. When did she first begin psych meds ever? And who prescribed them and why? I am betting it was either a pcp or obgyn, and I have a major issue with this. How long was she taking psych meds before she ever even saw a psych? Months? Years? Who initially diagnosed her with a mental illness to warrant taking these meds?

[Anonymous]

Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

Well I doubt she had PPP. She still needs to be held accountable regardless, and as an RN I would have thought she’d be more aware of potential med interactions/contraindications, MDs aren’t always correct, she was fairly young and inexperienced though and probably all of her friends are taking some sort of psych med. Everyone seems to be nowadays. Also many school shooters were found to be on SSRIs just remember that.