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Anonymous wrote:As soon as you point the white supremacy on DCUM, the white mommies are coming after you. Lady, your bigotry is showing and it ain't pretty.
That was a very effective argument in Virginia tonight.
And this is why nice white people should read all those Kendi books listed earlier. Not necessarily your kids but the parents.
I am watching nice white moms in our school read these books and talk about it. Some are married to men of color. They want a better world for their kids. As a mom of color it was so nice to see. They didn’t know if it was helping but they come from very white parts of the country. Things they post and learn about will trickle back when the post on FB, when they go visit parents etc.
If you can’t name a black author besides Toni Morrison, James Baldwin or Maya Angelou you are the problem.
Totally agree with you, the Black identity is the most important. It’s definitely not important if you can’t name three South American authors, other people’s culture need to take a step back because their ancestors didn’t face slavery and discrimination. I don’t think three is enough though, I feel the number should be at least into double digits, otherwise you can’t really call yourself an ally.
Nice white people are only nice on the surface, underneath they just want to preserve their privilege. It’s important to remind them they might actually be racist if they don't read Kendi’s books and don’t agree with your point of view. Equally important is to tell people what books to read, otherwise how do they get to have the correct thinking? Nice white people will never understand the experience of a black person in America, but at least they need to do the introspective anti racist work and realize their contribution to the marginalization of people of color. Kendi’s books are excellent in telling nice white people that they are the problem.
Saying this as a parent, it’s all for the kids.
It must be nice to brush slavery under the rug because you are able to benefit, even now.
No one said just read Black authors but yes the Black/White paradigm is an issue. However the fact that you take it as ‘whites are the problem’ tells me you didn’t listen and don’t want to. That’s how the term white fragility came to be. Yes, the Black community also have things we surely need to work on. However the fact is that only reading white authors is not acceptable, even if they are all great like Shakespeare.
We no longer can nor should accept that, I want my child to read books by all kinds of races and cultures, including white.
Nobody in this thread ever suggested reading only books written by white authors or only by black authors. You claimed if you don’t know the names of four black authors you are the problem, presumably related to racism. That’s a silly argument to me.
Maybe you were not aware, “nice white people” is used in an insulting way. Google it and I challenge you to find it used in a positive way. Someone disagreeing with your views is not white fragility.
The argument that white peoples benefit from slavery even now, is not as obvious to me. Sure racism and discrimination exist, but to what degree it holds you back or it benefits me is hard to tell. Most of the times these arguments are made in very general terms, can you point specifically how racism affected you personally in a concrete way?
There are tangible instances where race benefits black people, affirmative action being one of them.
Dude, woah. As a white person here, stop.
As a white person?! Are you the white race representative now? FYI, I can safely say my benefit from slavery is certainly not great, I immigrated to US 19 years ago. Why can’t I express my opinion on the matter?
You can express your incorrect opinion.
What you want a cookie for being a white immigrant, of which are more often selected than other POC, unless they are very rich.
Have you ever heard of ‘driving while black?’
Has anyone ever told you ‘EBT is not accepted here’ even though you did not pull out a card
Have you ever been convicted of a crime more harshly just because of your skin tone?
Has anyone not even interviewed you because your name is ‘too ghetto’
Have you been followed around in the store for no reason?
Has anyone one arrested you by accident cause ‘whoops all blacks look the same’
Have you been sleeping during George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc. Do you think those are special cases??
Also white privilege is sneaky, it’s not always blatant racism. The fact is that around the world white is right. White models are prevalent in every country, skin bleaching, and people hating brown skin.
The doll experiment is still true and popular today for a reason.
Ps. Being white doesn’t mean you don’t suffer or work hard. I’m so sick of that being said by some white people.
Oh, please stop with the righteousness and paternalistic tone. You are just doing a straw man argument, essentailly you are repeating a version the Macintosh's invisible knapsack.
I am responding to the following statement:
"It must be nice to brush slavery under the rug because you are able to benefit, even now."
Your list has some good points, yes racism and discrimination exists, and some people suck. Crimes commited against black people should be procecuted, I support police reform, have them wear body cams all the time, record every interaction, sue if necessary. I'm all for reforming the criminal justice system so that it is more fair, btw man are also convicted more harshly than women for the same crime. These are instances where you can point to individual acts, one can make a clear connection between the action and the harm, and you can make a case for a path to rights these wrongs.
The cultural trend arguments about white models are not very convincing. People like what they like, that does not equate racism, you can easily find norms that favor black culture, for example jazz, hip hop, clothing. Doll experients, association bias etc. are often mentioned as scientific proof of racism, the link is really tenuous.
The following around the store, EBT card etc, the entire panoply of microagressions, again some people suck. The reverse is that a lot of time this getsinto hypersensitivity outrage and cancel culture.
Where I think of the discussion crosses a line is when it is turned to broad statement about a group as as in the Kendi and DiAngelo books, "you are white, therefore you benefit, threfore you are racist" type of arguments. Kendi's books are even worse, whatever discrepacy in some outcome equates to racism. Not only this is very debatable, but it doesn't really diagnose a problem, and doesn't offer a solution to anything. It is simply righteous posturing.
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