Damn you cranky Btw us upper class black moms like hearing about new black authors from anyone. Politics and Prose just turned my daughter on to a great book that has a black lead written by a black woman. We are busy shaking off all that Shakespeare to find new authors. |
It must be nice to brush slavery under the rug because you are able to benefit, even now. No one said just read Black authors but yes the Black/White paradigm is an issue. However the fact that you take it as ‘whites are the problem’ tells me you didn’t listen and don’t want to. That’s how the term white fragility came to be. Yes, the Black community also have things we surely need to work on. However the fact is that only reading white authors is not acceptable, even if they are all great like Shakespeare. We no longer can nor should accept that, I want my child to read books by all kinds of races and cultures, including white. |
Nobody in this thread ever suggested reading only books written by white authors or only by black authors. You claimed if you don’t know the names of four black authors you are the problem, presumably related to racism. That’s a silly argument to me. Maybe you were not aware, “nice white people” is used in an insulting way. Google it and I challenge you to find it used in a positive way. Someone disagreeing with your views is not white fragility. The argument that white peoples benefit from slavery even now, is not as obvious to me. Sure racism and discrimination exist, but to what degree it holds you back or it benefits me is hard to tell. Most of the times these arguments are made in very general terms, can you point specifically how racism affected you personally in a concrete way? There are tangible instances where race benefits black people, affirmative action being one of them. |
Have you had her reading any afrofuturism? Huge sci-fi fan here, and while the quality is still uneven, what's good is really fresh. A lot of new plotlines and tropes. Not just the same old space opera / future war / savior narrative stuff. |
Dude, woah. As a white person here, stop. |
As a white person?! Are you the white race representative now? FYI, I can safely say my benefit from slavery is certainly not great, I immigrated to US 19 years ago. Why can’t I express my opinion on the matter? |
This seem so fringe, great if you have it as a hobby, but in my view it doesn't belong in English literature class. I'm surprized nobody mentions Frederick Douglas, that would be my first choice for a black author. Is Uncle Tom's Cabin out of favor? Not a black author, but it is notable for galvanizing the abolitionist movement. |
You can express your incorrect opinion. What you want a cookie for being a white immigrant, of which are more often selected than other POC, unless they are very rich. Have you ever heard of ‘driving while black?’ Has anyone ever told you ‘EBT is not accepted here’ even though you did not pull out a card Have you ever been convicted of a crime more harshly just because of your skin tone? Has anyone not even interviewed you because your name is ‘too ghetto’ Have you been followed around in the store for no reason? Has anyone one arrested you by accident cause ‘whoops all blacks look the same’ Have you been sleeping during George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc. Do you think those are special cases?? Also white privilege is sneaky, it’s not always blatant racism. The fact is that around the world white is right. White models are prevalent in every country, skin bleaching, and people hating brown skin. The doll experiment is still true and popular today for a reason. Ps. Being white doesn’t mean you don’t suffer or work hard. I’m so sick of that being said by some white people. |
Oh, please stop with the righteousness and paternalistic tone. You are just doing a straw man argument, essentailly you are repeating a version the Macintosh's invisible knapsack. I am responding to the following statement: "It must be nice to brush slavery under the rug because you are able to benefit, even now." Your list has some good points, yes racism and discrimination exists, and some people suck. Crimes commited against black people should be procecuted, I support police reform, have them wear body cams all the time, record every interaction, sue if necessary. I'm all for reforming the criminal justice system so that it is more fair, btw man are also convicted more harshly than women for the same crime. These are instances where you can point to individual acts, one can make a clear connection between the action and the harm, and you can make a case for a path to rights these wrongs. The cultural trend arguments about white models are not very convincing. People like what they like, that does not equate racism, you can easily find norms that favor black culture, for example jazz, hip hop, clothing. Doll experients, association bias etc. are often mentioned as scientific proof of racism, the link is really tenuous. The following around the store, EBT card etc, the entire panoply of microagressions, again some people suck. The reverse is that a lot of time this getsinto hypersensitivity outrage and cancel culture. Where I think of the discussion crosses a line is when it is turned to broad statement about a group as as in the Kendi and DiAngelo books, "you are white, therefore you benefit, threfore you are racist" type of arguments. Kendi's books are even worse, whatever discrepacy in some outcome equates to racism. Not only this is very debatable, but it doesn't really diagnose a problem, and doesn't offer a solution to anything. It is simply righteous posturing. |
Of course it’s not compelling to a white person, you have never experienced otherwise. POC are telling you their experiences and time and time again all some of you can say is waaaah waaaahh that doesn’t count. Or like you ‘I am white and I know better than you but you are the one who is self righteous, not me’ Get over yourself and realize your opinion means the least in this topic. |
"Waaaah, waaaaah"? lol. At least admit you are self righteous. |
When I read your response that’s what I hear. And no I don’t but I also wouldn’t care if I was because I know I am correct. I also know you are ignorant. But enjoy your bubble. |
| Do you mind telling what your political leaning is? I can guess but I don’t want to be presumptuous. |
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"Is Shakespeare not taught in DCPS?"
A better question is, "Is ANYTHING taught in DCPS?" Perhaps how to better aim at your drug rival |
You win at using most “I” in a single sentence. |