Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Wael Al-Dahdouh sends a message to his supporters after the death of Al-Jazeera reporter and his son Hamzah.

For his steadfastness in the face of so much personal loss Wael has been nicknamed Al Jabal, "the mountain".

Asked by NBC News if the IDF had evidence to support its allegation that an individual in the vehicle was a terrorist, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the incident was “unfortunate” and an investigation was still ongoing.

“Every journalist that dies it’s unfortunate," he said.

“We understand they were putting a drone, using a drone. And using a drone in a war zone, it’s a problem. It looks like the terrorists,” Hagari said, adding that Hamas uses drones to collect intel on Israeli forces. “So we will investigate this incident and we will provide the data,” Hagari said.

Al Jazeera managing editor Mohamed Moawad told NBC News that Thuraya was a freelance drone operator for the network. He said the duo were in the car on their way home from filming the aftermath of an airstrike when their vehicle was targeted by Israeli forces, adding that they were not flying a drone while driving back to Rafah.

In a statement, Al Jazeera condemned the attack, calling Hamza and Thuraya’s deaths an “assassination” and urging legal action to be taken to restrain the Israeli military. The network added that the Israeli military has “systemically targeted” Dahdouh and his family.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wael-dahdouh-palestinian-journalist-son-killed-israeli-strike-gaza-rcna132791

So now the IDF story is that the people in the car may have been operating drones and since Hamas also operates drones, anyone who uses a drone is a target?

The IDF is morally repugnant.

Let’s be clear. It’s not just the IDF that is morally repugnant. It is also the majority of the Israeli government and most people living in Israel, not to mention the Jews who have no business pushing out, murdering and harassing Palestinians in the West Bank.

Does your list of morally repugnant individuals include the 10/7 terrorists? Or were they decolonizers?

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IDF strike in the south of Lebanon has eliminated Hezbollah’s chief of drones.

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Here, folks, are the more specifics from ynetnews:

“IDF Spokesperson RADM Daniel Hagari said on Tuesday that Israel was responsible for the elimination of a top commander in Hezbollah’s drone unit Ali Hussein Barji in southern Lebanon. “We’ve targeted him using Israel Air Force aircraft,” Hagari said. “Barji led dozens of strikes against Israel using UAVs and drones.” (Ynet)”

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Anonymous wrote:Here, folks, are the more specifics from ynetnews:

“IDF Spokesperson RADM Daniel Hagari said on Tuesday that Israel was responsible for the elimination of a top commander in Hezbollah’s drone unit Ali Hussein Barji in southern Lebanon. “We’ve targeted him using Israel Air Force aircraft,” Hagari said. “Barji led dozens of strikes against Israel using UAVs and drones.” (Ynet)”

Did he list the names of the surviving Al-Dahdouh children as targets? Five more still alive.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, folks, are the more specifics from ynetnews:

“IDF Spokesperson RADM Daniel Hagari said on Tuesday that Israel was responsible for the elimination of a top commander in Hezbollah’s drone unit Ali Hussein Barji in southern Lebanon. “We’ve targeted him using Israel Air Force aircraft,” Hagari said. “Barji led dozens of strikes against Israel using UAVs and drones.” (Ynet)”

He misspelled U.S. Air Force aircraft.

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

Ok so since all Jews are zionists according to you and rabid supporters then all Muslims are terrorists. You are just an anti semite according to your logic.

PP literally wrote "by a large portion of Jews in America" and you conflated that - intentionally, undoubtedly - to read "all Jews"? GTFOH ...

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

That’s not an updated story. That is cnn’s version of the story. The allegations are that the girl said “I support Hamas, you fing jew”. And that the Jewish team was being roughed up on the court. Until the facts are out you don’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact that they did review video and decide to suspend the girl speaks volunteers.

CNN vs. Robin Bosworth, the self-proclaimed victim in this story. Um, going with CNN ...

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DEI…. Except for Jews

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

That’s not an updated story. That is cnn’s version of the story. The allegations are that the girl said “I support Hamas, you fing jew”. And that the Jewish team was being roughed up on the court. Until the facts are out you don’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact that they did review video and decide to suspend the girl speaks volunteers.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/there-is-no-space-in-the-sports-world-to-call-for-a-free-palestine/

And THAT is why an example had to be made of the coach and player - to satisfy this sick vengeful bloodlust that must be sated whenever anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow. It had nothing to do with the actual events of the game, we've been told by a major international news media outlet. I choose to believe them over a student athlete who is claiming otherwise.

So yeah, it IS an updated story. And thus far, nothing otherwise has emerged that justified these actions. If / when anything does, the topic can be re-visited. But for now, "Free Palestine" is a perfectly acceptable way for one to exercise their 1A rights to oppose oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery. Hypocritical thugs like Ackman can go after them all they want, but they are eventually going to run out of dry powder on this issue.

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Don't you have any other hats to wear besides "Chosen people" and "Victim"?

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

That’s not an updated story. That is cnn’s version of the story. The allegations are that the girl said “I support Hamas, you fing jew”. And that the Jewish team was being roughed up on the court. Until the facts are out you don’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact that they did review video and decide to suspend the girl speaks volunteers.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/there-is-no-space-in-the-sports-world-to-call-for-a-free-palestine/

And THAT is why an example had to be made of the coach and player - to satisfy this sick vengeful bloodlust that must be sated whenever anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow. It had nothing to do with the actual events of the game, we've been told by a major international news media outlet. I choose to believe them over a student athlete who is claiming otherwise.

So yeah, it IS an updated story. And thus far, nothing otherwise has emerged that justified these actions. If / when anything does, the topic can be re-visited. But for now, "Free Palestine" is a perfectly acceptable way for one to exercise their 1A rights to oppose oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery. Hypocritical thugs like Ackman can go after them all they want, but they are eventually going to run out of dry powder on this issue.

Blah blah blah. Truth is the girl would not have been suspended if all she said was free Palestine. She could have screamed free Palestine the entire match and no one would have blinked an eye. You are wasting your time, go yell free Palestine somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

That’s not an updated story. That is cnn’s version of the story. The allegations are that the girl said “I support Hamas, you fing jew”. And that the Jewish team was being roughed up on the court. Until the facts are out you don’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact that they did review video and decide to suspend the girl speaks volunteers.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/there-is-no-space-in-the-sports-world-to-call-for-a-free-palestine/

And THAT is why an example had to be made of the coach and player - to satisfy this sick vengeful bloodlust that must be sated whenever anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow. It had nothing to do with the actual events of the game, we've been told by a major international news media outlet. I choose to believe them over a student athlete who is claiming otherwise.

So yeah, it IS an updated story. And thus far, nothing otherwise has emerged that justified these actions. If / when anything does, the topic can be re-visited. But for now, "Free Palestine" is a perfectly acceptable way for one to exercise their 1A rights to oppose oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery. Hypocritical thugs like Ackman can go after them all they want, but they are eventually going to run out of dry powder on this issue.

Blah blah blah. Truth is the girl would not have been suspended if all she said was free Palestine. She could have screamed free Palestine the entire match and no one would have blinked an eye. You are wasting your time, go yell free Palestine somewhere.

I'm sure you would LOVE for people like me to stop talking about it, right! Uh, wouldn't that be great??? You can continue being a miserable POS supporting an apartheid terrorist state without anyone questions your morals!!! But no.

But as to your lazy retort, why is CNN hiding all those people that heard more? CNN in on the anti-semitism campaign, too???

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Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.

But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.

They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.

It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.

https://twitter.com/tararosenblum/status/1744019690412777848?s=46&t=XhMk6KgBaubAd8DNh_wEeQ

I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.

And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.

This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.

Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?

You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.

What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?

So it’s ok to call teenage girls “fking” Jews now? Got it, pos.

Did you read the latest update. The student who wrote the story that slurs were used has been unveiled as a liar by the adults who were there, on both sides. Sad, but par.

There’s no latest update. But you want to drag teenage girls and justify calling them fing Jews, way to show your antisemitism. Stop making stuff up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/us/new-york-high-school-basketball-investigation-antisemitic-comment/index.html

It may turn out that more was said and/or done, but as it stands, it’s looking like Robin Bosworth is a liar, and that she fabricated (or at least greatly embellished) what went down.

I read the cnn article. The harassment was bad enough the game was cut half way. And I wonder how you would feel if someone just yelled 9/11 at a brown sports team or China fly at an Asian team. It’s racist then and it’s racist in this case even if the only thing said was free Palestine’s stop defending the indefensible.

The game was ended after the third quarter. Unfortunately, Ms. Bosworth and her teammates are learning a hard lesson that violent oppression has consequences, and sometimes innocents are caught up in the crosshairs. I mean, that's what we're told the loved ones of the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being blown to smithereens in Gaza should do, right? Just accept it and stop complaining ...

That said, it's looking like fabrications may have been published by Ms. Bosworth. If so, I have a hell of a bigger problem with THAT than I do anyone saying Free Palestine in any context. And why shouldn't I? If you're against freedom for the Palestinian people, you are an enemy of peace and human rights. I don't support liars and I definitely don't support enemies of peace and human rights, whether it's Israel or Hamas or Robin Bosworth herself. If it turns out she's telling the truth, serious consequences have already been doled out. But if it turns out she fabricated or embellished what occurred, she should be suspended from her school for the same period of time that the opposing team's player was suspended. Wanna bet how little consequence she will face if found to have lied?

So you are justifying bullying Jewish girls for what you perceive are Israel’s actions. And this is not anti semitism?
You raging anti semite.

Free Palestine and criticisms of Israel’s actions that are more than deserving of criticism (i.e., the entire body of their actions toward the indigenous people of the Middle East over the past 75 years) will NEVER amount to anti-semitism, no matter how hard you try to keep yourself in the limelight as the professional victim class. I’ll criticize Israel and Hamas all I want, and you can pound sand.

Sure but why are you yelling at this at non Israeli teenage girls playing a basketball game just because they are Jewish?

According to the updated story on CNN, one person said “Free Palestine”. One person. The coach was discharged and a player was suspended. Apologies were issued. Apparently for saying “Free Palestine”, which is an appeal that every compassionate human being should support. After all, the alternative is oppression, brutal subjugation, and slavery.

If those continue to be the facts, I’d say far more than enough has already been done. So unless and until the investigation finds more, there’s nothing left to say at this point.

However, with the demonstrated blind, unconditional, and frankly rabid support of Israel by a large portion of Jews in America, it’s not too hard to imagine hostilities toward that segment for both their actions and the actions of the state-sponsored terrorism that they support with outspoken zeal. What’s happening in the Middle East is reprehensible.

If you support the acts of any of the bad actors (including and perhaps especially Israel), you’re part of the problem. And people may yell at you. It’s the price of oppression, I guess.

That’s not an updated story. That is cnn’s version of the story. The allegations are that the girl said “I support Hamas, you fing jew”. And that the Jewish team was being roughed up on the court. Until the facts are out you don’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact that they did review video and decide to suspend the girl speaks volunteers.

Trash talk is trash talk.

But do they go after the Catholics too?

At a Gonzaga or DeMatha game, are they throwing around "You f#cking Papist. I support the English Monarchy."

These are 16 year old kids. None of them are responsible for anything anywhere. The fact that something devolved into religious or ethnic intimidation is not good. Terrible coaching. And it's reflective of how base anti-semitism is normalized. They wouldn't do that against the Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:Wael Al-Dahdouh sends a message to his supporters after the death of Al-Jazeera reporter and his son Hamzah.

For his steadfastness in the face of so much personal loss Wael has been nicknamed Al Jabal, "the mountain".

Asked by NBC News if the IDF had evidence to support its allegation that an individual in the vehicle was a terrorist, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the incident was “unfortunate” and an investigation was still ongoing.

“Every journalist that dies it’s unfortunate," he said.

“We understand they were putting a drone, using a drone. And using a drone in a war zone, it’s a problem. It looks like the terrorists,” Hagari said, adding that Hamas uses drones to collect intel on Israeli forces. “So we will investigate this incident and we will provide the data,” Hagari said.

Al Jazeera managing editor Mohamed Moawad told NBC News that Thuraya was a freelance drone operator for the network. He said the duo were in the car on their way home from filming the aftermath of an airstrike when their vehicle was targeted by Israeli forces, adding that they were not flying a drone while driving back to Rafah.

In a statement, Al Jazeera condemned the attack, calling Hamza and Thuraya’s deaths an “assassination” and urging legal action to be taken to restrain the Israeli military. The network added that the Israeli military has “systemically targeted” Dahdouh and his family.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wael-dahdouh-palestinian-journalist-son-killed-israeli-strike-gaza-rcna132791

So now the IDF story is that the people in the car may have been operating drones and since Hamas also operates drones, anyone who uses a drone is a target?

The IDF is morally repugnant.

Let’s be clear. It’s not just the IDF that is morally repugnant. It is also the majority of the Israeli government and most people living in Israel, not to mention the Jews who have no business pushing out, murdering and harassing Palestinians in the West Bank.

Does your list of morally repugnant individuals include the 10/7 terrorists? Or were they decolonizers?

*crickets*

Silence speaks volumes. We already hear how many pro-Palestine folks are also holocaust deniers (which is why they arrive at wild conclusions about how this IDF campaign is 'genocide') along with the insane conspiracy theories (IDF was responsible for killing, maiming and burning all of the Israelis on 10/7) and a general belief that Palestinians can do no wrong - like Hamas was sewing quilts and holding an ice cream social for orphan children on 10/7 and IDF attacked them for no reason. And sure, let's ignore how Hamas has been raining thousands of rockets a year on Israeli civilians even when there was a supposed "ceasefire."

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Anonymous wrote:Wael Al-Dahdouh sends a message to his supporters after the death of Al-Jazeera reporter and his son Hamzah.

For his steadfastness in the face of so much personal loss Wael has been nicknamed Al Jabal, "the mountain".

Asked by NBC News if the IDF had evidence to support its allegation that an individual in the vehicle was a terrorist, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the incident was “unfortunate” and an investigation was still ongoing.

“Every journalist that dies it’s unfortunate," he said.

“We understand they were putting a drone, using a drone. And using a drone in a war zone, it’s a problem. It looks like the terrorists,” Hagari said, adding that Hamas uses drones to collect intel on Israeli forces. “So we will investigate this incident and we will provide the data,” Hagari said.

Al Jazeera managing editor Mohamed Moawad told NBC News that Thuraya was a freelance drone operator for the network. He said the duo were in the car on their way home from filming the aftermath of an airstrike when their vehicle was targeted by Israeli forces, adding that they were not flying a drone while driving back to Rafah.

In a statement, Al Jazeera condemned the attack, calling Hamza and Thuraya’s deaths an “assassination” and urging legal action to be taken to restrain the Israeli military. The network added that the Israeli military has “systemically targeted” Dahdouh and his family.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wael-dahdouh-palestinian-journalist-son-killed-israeli-strike-gaza-rcna132791

So now the IDF story is that the people in the car may have been operating drones and since Hamas also operates drones, anyone who uses a drone is a target?

The IDF is morally repugnant.

Let’s be clear. It’s not just the IDF that is morally repugnant. It is also the majority of the Israeli government and most people living in Israel, not to mention the Jews who have no business pushing out, murdering and harassing Palestinians in the West Bank.

Does your list of morally repugnant individuals include the 10/7 terrorists? Or were they decolonizers?

*crickets*

Silence speaks volumes. We already hear how many pro-Palestine folks are also holocaust deniers (which is why they arrive at wild conclusions about how this IDF campaign is 'genocide') along with the insane conspiracy theories (IDF was responsible for killing, maiming and burning all of the Israelis on 10/7) and a general belief that Palestinians can do no wrong - like Hamas was sewing quilts and holding an ice cream social for orphan children on 10/7 and IDF attacked them for no reason. And sure, let's ignore how Hamas has been raining thousands of rockets a year on Israeli civilians even when there was a supposed "ceasefire."

First, Hamas and the perpetrators of the 10/7/2023 attacks are morally repugnant, too. I've yet to see anyone in these 2,300 some-odd pages say otherwise. Nice straw man, though. You weave it yourself, or did Uncle Sam give it to you with your weekly dose of welfare?

Second, if you can identify a source - ANY SOURCE, including Hasbara-sanctioned fake numbers - that establishes the CUMULATIVE death toll of those "thousands of rockets a year on Israeli civilians" to a level that is even 1/100th of the death toll in Gaza over the past three months, I'll gladly join you in condemning every last one of those rockets (truth be told, I already condemn them). But if you think "thousands of rockets" raining down on desert and empty land in Israel, killing less than 100 people over the course of 75 years, is equivalent to the tens of thousands dead in Gaza just these past three months, you're only fooling yourself. I mean, I know you think an Israeli life is worth AT LEAST 250 Palestinians lives, but for academic purposes, consider a world where everyone else just thinks an Israeli life is worth no more or less than any other life ... even a gentile life!

Finally, nobody has said that Palestinians can do no wrong. But of course, you know that. It's just that manipulative impulse you have to position the argument so dishonestly that keeps getting you swatted into the cheap seats. It's fine if that's your kink, but don't make the mistake of thinking you're fooling anyway paying close attention.