ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?

Powerhouse in the 90's

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?

It's not relevant, but PP who wasn't aware looks ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

It will take a long time for that team to start playing a ‘more beautiful game.’ This is 100% MV’s fault. 3 years of bad habits reinforced by coaches, clubs, and parents won’t go away overnight. This will hurt FVU in the few years.

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Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

Agreed. Even worse is that it’s the coaches and parents at BRAVE blaming the kids to protect the coach.

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The unhealthy obsession here is with MV. He is totally good as a Vienna RL coach, but shouldn’t be involved with Union.

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Anonymous wrote:Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

Agreed. Even worse is that it’s the coaches and parents at BRAVE blaming the kids to protect the coach.

Nice try Union! Right, it’s totally believable that BRAVE parents are blaming their own kids?! Lol!

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Anonymous wrote:The unhealthy obsession here is with MV. He is totally good as a Vienna RL coach, but shouldn’t be involved with Union.

Get over it already! He is involved as many of his players and families want. No need to be afraid or insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

Agreed. Even worse is that it’s the coaches and parents at BRAVE blaming the kids to protect the coach.

Nice try Union! Right, it’s totally believable that BRAVE parents are blaming their own kids?! Lol!

“I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.”

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Anonymous wrote:Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

Agreed. Even worse is that it’s the coaches and parents at BRAVE blaming the kids to protect the coach.

Nice try Union! Right, it’s totally believable that BRAVE parents are blaming their own kids?! Lol!

“I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.”

So the assumption is that this is a BRAVE parent?! 😂 Highly unlikely as he does not communicate with parents on teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Such crazy, unhealthy obsession with this BRAVE team in all these posts! To be calling out and criticizing 13/14 year old girls, including their physical appearance, is so sick!
Sorry if your kid didn’t make the FVU team (it’s painful for any child to be cut or replaced) but resorting to this low level is disgusting.

Agreed. Even worse is that it’s the coaches and parents at BRAVE blaming the kids to protect the coach.

Nice try Union! Right, it’s totally believable that BRAVE parents are blaming their own kids?! Lol!

“I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.”

So the assumption is that this is a BRAVE parent?! 😂 Highly unlikely as he does not communicate with parents on teams.

I'm the one who posted that.

I am, indeed, NOT a BRAVE parent. I am also not affiliated with BRAVE in any way except that I know a couple of their players just from living in Vienna and getting out of the house and meeting their parents, who have never discussed BRAVE with me. (Their high school teams, yes. But not BRAVE.) I also know the coaches because I live in Vienna, though they've never coached my kids. (Maybe at a clinic back in the day? Never on a team, though.)

I'm not *blaming* the kids. You could make the case that the BRAVE coaches might *want* to play possession soccer and that the players might have the physical skills and the aptitude to do it, but the coaches have been unable to instill that in the kids they're coaching. I don't know enough to know whether that's true, false or somewhere in between. I don't go to their practices. Maybe the kids should've had better coaching as U9s. I wasn't there for those practices, either. I'm guessing most people weren't.

I like these coaches as human beings, and I've enjoyed talking about soccer with them. I cannot offer an informed critique of how effectively they run a training session.

More generally: The fact that people want to come on an anonymous message board and feed their egos and their insecurities by concocting fake realities is seriously one of the saddest commentaries on 21st century America that I've ever seen.

But I can see how it can be seductive. That's why I'm going to start assuming that everyone who disputes a point I raise on DCUM has had a lobotomy.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?

It's not relevant, but PP who wasn't aware looks ignorant.

Exactly.

You can certainly make the case that the storied history is irrelevant because it's so far in the past. You can't make the case that it doesn't exist.

Like Washington's NFL team. The fact that they won some Super Bowls in our lifetimes means nothing when it comes to today's team, but those Super Bowls did indeed happen.

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DB "in game coaching" was basically him rising up from his chair a few times to yell out " To who ?" after an errant pass that didn't connect. Then sit back down. High level.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?

It's not relevant, but PP who wasn't aware looks ignorant.

Exactly.

You can certainly make the case that the storied history is irrelevant because it's so far in the past. You can't make the case that it doesn't exist.

Like Washington's NFL team. The fact that they won some Super Bowls in our lifetimes means nothing when it comes to today's team, but those Super Bowls did indeed happen.

What’s crazy with BRYC is that they were really, really good only about 5 years ago…but it may as well be 30 with the way they have run it so hard into the ground.