ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.

Not the OP or PP but Mia Hamm played for them and they have won national championships.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed--of course BRYC has a storied history and Mclean did after them but that is not relevant any more.

That's fair. But if you were trying to market these clubs, you'd surely mention it.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

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Bryc has a storied history but isn’t that history mostly 80’s and 90s? The year before Brave it was far from storied.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

All hail the big boot of BRAVE. Fairfax County has a population of 1.1M. Almost 3x Prince William county.

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

It would be difficult for someone to observe that their 9 was a record goal scorer from a game or two. I saw blatant kickball to fast forwards, little passing and even less possession.

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

It would be difficult for someone to observe that their 9 was a record goal scorer from a game or two. I saw blatant kickball to fast forwards, little passing and even less possession.

How much time have you spent watching this team? This is starting to get creepy. Or are you a disgruntled BRAVE parent?

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

It would be difficult for someone to observe that their 9 was a record goal scorer from a game or two. I saw blatant kickball to fast forwards, little passing and even less possession.

The girls on that team are physically mature for their age. Any decent U15 team is going to beat a U14 team. They are playing with girls who are essentially grown women and then some.

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2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

It would be difficult for someone to observe that their 9 was a record goal scorer from a game or two. I saw blatant kickball to fast forwards, little passing and even less possession.

How much time have you spent watching this team? This is starting to get creepy. Or are you a disgruntled BRAVE parent?

PP said a game or two. Why so butthurt that you have to highlight playoffs, smallest player pool, 75 goals, record goal scorer? Half of those claims are probably false. Record goal scorer? Maybe for 2010 BRAVE, or is it for ECNL? Why not highlight the only +4 gd or mid table standing?

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

The cowards are the people who claim someone else is a coach who isn't claiming to be a coach because they can't face reality, even if they're allowed to do so anonymously.

(Yeesh, if only you knew who was actually posting this!

If facing reality is that it’s the girls fault for playing kickball then I disagree. I know these girls can play more sophisticated soccer. Not asking for possession but trying to connect a few passes now and then to create overloads, etc.

I don’t know why people are pretending Brave can’t / doesn’t do this.

Again, their 2010s qualified for playoffs both years they have been in ECNL, and scored 75 goals last year. They are not doing that by just booting the ball long every play, and they have more than just their 9 scoring.

Pretty much every successful team in the DC area has been criticized here for not playing possession soccer. Is Brave Barcelona? No. But do they string plenty of passes together, and are their players extremely proficient at dribbling and shooting? Absolutely. And they’re doing so with by far the smallest player pool of the DC ECNL clubs. VDA, Loudoun, and Arlington have huge populations to pull from. Union’s is about to get a lot larger next year. We’ll see the results…

I’ve seen the 2010 Brave play. Kickball all day long. Not saying they can’t play a more beautiful game. Just that they don’t.

Don’t agree with this from what I observed. They have a record goal scorer in their 9, but there are also other talented players that score too. They seem to have good team synergy. The chemistry between the players is noticeable and it translates into good passing and possession.

It would be difficult for someone to observe that their 9 was a record goal scorer from a game or two. I saw blatant kickball to fast forwards, little passing and even less possession.

How much time have you spent watching this team? This is starting to get creepy. Or are you a disgruntled BRAVE parent?

PP said a game or two. Why so butthurt that you have to highlight playoffs, smallest player pool, 75 goals, record goal scorer? Half of those claims are probably false. Record goal scorer? Maybe for 2010 BRAVE, or is it for ECNL? Why not highlight the only +4 gd or mid table standing?

Record goalscorer? For what?