ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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When it wasn’t anon it was dead. Hard disagree. This board may by acrimonious at times but usually a kernel of truth in even the most extreme posts.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why a parent would pay $5,000 a year or more (total) to have the same youth level coach for 5 years plus - especially when the coach has no life experience. Yes, talking about KJ and the 2010 group. Just play rec if you want status quo.

I miss the days when this board wasn’t anonymous and people could be held mildly accountable for their nonsense.

I would like to vote this the best post of the board and the century.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

Total trainwreck. This coach hasn’t gotten his team to string together 3 passes in a single game for two seasons in a row. Not having the players to pull it off is an excuse.

Total Dutch football!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why a parent would pay $5,000 a year or more (total) to have the same youth level coach for 5 years plus - especially when the coach has no life experience. Yes, talking about KJ and the 2010 group. Just play rec if you want status quo.

I miss the days when this board wasn’t anonymous and people could be held mildly accountable for their nonsense.

-1000

that’s what NextDoor is for

I would like to vote this the best post of the board and the century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When it wasn’t anon it was dead. Hard disagree. This board may by acrimonious at times but usually a kernel of truth in even the most extreme posts.

+1,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Terrible blaming 13 and 14 yo kids. I cant imagine these coaches are great role models.

The person who has been arguing this point is not a coach.

People on this board are cowards.

The cowards are the people who claim not to be a coach but are obviously a coach defending themselves by blaming the kids.

[Anonymous]

Storied history doesn't have any relevance for kids playing today

[Anonymous]

Agreed--of course BRYC has a storied history and Mclean did after them but that is not relevant any more.

[Anonymous]

Its funny to see Union and Brave parents fighting each other here. In a few weeks you will be on the same team but my guess is that the bad blood will still be there, parents talking behind each others backs, cliques, etc. FVU will probably only be successful for 2012 years and beyond.

[Anonymous]

Don’t count on 2012s - it was a free for all where the main coaches had took their players, regardless of talent, and left several talented players in the lurch because it was too late to know what was happening. My kid did fine, but others who should have gotten offers did not in exchange for clearly weaker players. Just wait…..next year is going to be another shake up.

[Anonymous]

It takes another year to shake out the players who shouldn't really be there. After that things will settle down

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait.