Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

I really do not care who lives in crimea. As long as it under Ukrainian control and all Russian soldiers/partisans leave or are killed.

If Ukraine wants to eBay crimea after this war I do not care; but it is Ukraine’s choice and not some psychopath from moscow who decides what happens to crimea.

Hopefully ukriane puts 15k Russians down this weekend for a dirt nap. Need a big route/victory somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.

Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.

Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:

"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/

"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification

"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia

Okay. Will the Ukrainians grant independence to Crimea and other historically Tartar areas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.

Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.

Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:

"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/

"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification

"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia

Okay. Will the Ukrainians grant independence to Crimea and other historically Tartar areas?

That's between Zelensky and Turkey. Oh, wait! They seem to have hit it off!
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/08/1186626989/turkeys-erdogan-zelenskyy-ukraine-deserves-membership-nato

I'm guessing they have post-war plans? It's nice when people work together, don't you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.

Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.

Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:

"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/

"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification

"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia

Okay. Will the Ukrainians grant independence to Crimea and other historically Tartar areas?

That's between Zelensky and Turkey. Oh, wait! They seem to have hit it off!
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/08/1186626989/turkeys-erdogan-zelenskyy-ukraine-deserves-membership-nato

I'm guessing they have post-war plans? It's nice when people work together, don't you think?

What does Turkey have to do with a free and independent Tartaristan?

[Anonymous]

Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.

Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.

Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.

Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:

"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/

"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification

"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia

Exactly right - Russia had no ethnic, cultural or other presence whatsoever in Crimea prior to the 1940s. The tatars, on the other hand, had lived there for hundreds of years and were forcibly displaced. They should have a right to return to the lands of their parents and grandparents.

[Anonymous]

Language and culture are inextricably linked. Here it says that Crimea was an autonomous area within independent Ukraine.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tatar-language

[Anonymous]

Zelensky and his oligarchs are playing a dangerous game. When the war is over Ukraine will have a second, more targeted blood letting against internal enemies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.

Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

LOL. The military support Poland is providing Ukraine is all decommissioned stuff. No way do the Poles cede their position as the dominant Eastern European power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zelensky and his oligarchs are playing a dangerous game. When the war is over Ukraine will have a second, more targeted blood letting against internal enemies.

You apparently have nothing better to do with your time but to dream up random hysteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.

Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

LOL. The military support Poland is providing Ukraine is all decommissioned stuff. No way do the Poles cede their position as the dominant Eastern European power.

Uh…not sure about the “Eastern” part being needed. If Poland can afford their wish list of new weapons they will be the dominant land/air power in all of Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.

Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.

Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

They are all allies when there are no money problems. When money problems start, everyone goes back to their home team. Just look at Polish farmers and Ukrainian wheat.

[Anonymous]

Former cia officer, phil giraldi:

How Jewish Is the War Against Russia?

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/

Currently, the top three State Department officials (Tony Blinken, Wendy Sherman and Victoria Nuland) are all Zionist Jews. The head of the Department of Homeland Security, which is hot on the trail of domestic “terrorist” dissidents, is also Jewish as is the Attorney General and the president’s chief of staff. They and their boss Joe Biden do not seem concerned that their client Ukraine is no democracy. The nation’s current government came into power after the 2014 coup engineered by President Barack Obama’s State Department at an estimated cost of $5 billion. The regime change carried out under Barack Obama was driven by State Department Russophobe Victoria Nuland with a little help from international globalist George Soros. It removed the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych who was, unfortunately for him, a friend of Russia.

Ukraine is reputedly both the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe, witness the Hunter Biden saga. The current President Volodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish and claims to have holocaust victims in his family tree, is a former comedian who won election in 2019. He replaced another Jewish president Petro Poroshenko, after being heavily funded and promoted by yet another fellow Jew and Ukraine’s richest oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, who is also an Israeli citizen and now lives in Israel.

And they are joined by journalists like Bret Stephens at the New York Times, Wolf Blitzer and Jake Tapper at CNN, and also Max Boot at the Washington Post, all of whom are Jewish and can be counted on to write regular pieces both damning and demonizing Russia and its head of state Vladimir Putin, which means it is not only about the Middle East anymore. It is also about weakening and even bringing about regime change in nuclear armed Russia while also drawing some lines in the sand for likewise nuclear armed China. And I might add that playing power games with Russia is a hell of a lot more dangerous that kicking Iraq around.

To put it bluntly, many US government and media Jews hate Russia and even though they benefited substantially as a group by virtue of their preeminent role in the looting of the former Soviet Union under Boris Yeltsin and continue to be among the most prominent Russian oligarchs. Many of the oligarch billionaires, like Boris Berezovsky, self-exiled when Vladimir Putin obtained power and began to crack down on their tax avoidance and other illegal activity. Many moved to Western Europe where some bought up football teams while others went south and obtained Israeli citizenship. Their current grievances somewhat reflect their tribe’s demand for perpetual victimhood and the deference plus forgiveness of all sins that it conveys, with the self-promoted tales of persecution going back to the days of the Tsars, full of allegations about pogroms and Cossacks arriving in the night, stories that rival many of the holocaust fabrications in terms of their lack of credibility.