ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Huddle up....We can do this....Let's get to 400!!!

Quick, someone state an obviously uninformed opinion as a fact!!

FVU will be awesome!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huddle up....We can do this....Let's get to 400!!!

Quick, someone state an obviously uninformed opinion as a fact!!

FVU will be awesome!

BRAVE coaches come from Ajax and Barcelona!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who posted the predictions. The reason I placed the 2011s where I did is primarily because this forum reported that Union has a majority of players on next years FVU team. That is, the weaker team has a majority of players on the new team. This forum also reported that a Brave player and a Union player are going to Arlington and because that is a top team I presumed those two players are strong and would be a loss to FVU. This forum has also reported more Union players leaving than Brave players but I didn’t take this into account since Union is the weaker team.

Second, I looked at goal differential which puts Brave at 8th and Union at 10th.

Third, looking at the standings and goal differential numbers it looks like Arlington and Charlotte are the clear 1 and 2, followed by a pack of VDA, Courage, Richmond, and Beach (based on GD maybe Courage underperformed?) After that there seems to be a gulf to 7th place.

If I have overlooked some data please write in, but sentimential statement like “we hope for the best” or “stop trashing FVU” misses the point of my post which is really trying to be objective and data based. Not trying to offend anyone.

Did you apply this logic with very specific “data” to the other age groups? You combed through this 300+ page post and grabbed all the relevant “data” and applied this to each team?

Or perhaps a bone to pick with the 2011 team for obvious reasons? GD was the only actual data you used and even that is flawed when not factoring in injuries.

goal differential actually says a lot. Especially among teams with similar records.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

Agree--we know the Dutch is from VYS. VYS plays transition soccer. BRYC plays possession soccer and those coaches ain't Dutch. MYS, they are just skillful in general.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huddle up....We can do this....Let's get to 400!!!

Quick, someone state an obviously uninformed opinion as a fact!!

FVU will be awesome!

BRAVE coaches come from Ajax and Barcelona!

And the winner is….BRAVE coaches come from Ajax and Barcelona!, for helping to add another page towards our goal of 400!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why a parent would pay $5,000 a year or more (total) to have the same youth level coach for 5 years plus - especially when the coach has no life experience. Yes, talking about KJ and the 2010 group. Just play rec if you want status quo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

Total trainwreck. This coach hasn’t gotten his team to string together 3 passes in a single game for two seasons in a row. Not having the players to pull it off is an excuse.

[Anonymous]

Good coaching can be immediately impactful. Coach Omid the new boys director at MYS took our team that he’d never seen to a Memorial Day tournament and we parents could barely recognize the team they were so much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

Sounds like a BRAVE coach. It’s the players fault. If only I could recruit the top physical and technical players, I would win.

The issue is if you’ve never proven you can coach good youth soccer or place top players in uni programs why would they come in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc. This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected. Heard this team is mostly Brave? Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year. Heard this team is mostly Union? Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range. Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year. Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range. Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season. Hard to see anything above 7th.

During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video? I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score!

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax?

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched.

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why a parent would pay $5,000 a year or more (total) to have the same youth level coach for 5 years plus - especially when the coach has no life experience. Yes, talking about KJ and the 2010 group. Just play rec if you want status quo.

I miss the days when this board wasn’t anonymous and people could be held mildly accountable for their nonsense.