“Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.
In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."”
What a sick entity is this Hamas.
LOL tell us how IDF gets these testimonials. Do they have officers with clipboards on the sidewalks?
No, these are recorded conversations.
Any day now Israel will turn all this testimony and the other evidence they have collected over to international human rights organizations for full investigations with which they will cooperate fully. Right?
I don't know why you are assuming Hamas is such a wonderful organization. Do you think Hamas is giving out lollipops to kids?
Hamas invaded Israel from Gaza. They committed extreme atrocities. They launched a war. Everyone would still be alive if it wasn't for Hamas and what they did.
Every nation in the world would respond militarily to an invasion like what Hamas committed.
If you don't like it, don't start wars. Most people avoid it because they are brutal and awful. But Hamas chose this.
It took more than two months for the UN to even acknowledge that Israeli women suffered during the Hamas attacks. The UN has no credibility. And neither does Amnesty International. Or Human Rights Watch. All those organizations are DEI and profoundly unsympathetic to women and children who aren't part of their list of acceptable people.
Strange, I didn’t say anything about Hamas. My comment was about how I assumed Israel, a first world democracy committed to the rights of civilians, would behave. Because Israel wants the international community to know the truth about all this, right?
Because it's war right now.
The first priority once the shooting stops will be figuring out how the Netenyahu government allowed this to happen to begin with. This was a huge security failure on Israel's part
As for how Israelis conduct this war, it's war. It's not rational. It's not moral. It's not fair. It's a bunch of 20 year old boys trying to kill each other.
Not a healthy place.
Do you think the Marines on Iwo Jima were full of kindness and mirth and good fellowship?
Are you investigating that too?
Hamas invaded Israel and launched this war. And it's sad and tragic. It really doesn't matter who investigates anything. Berlin was terrible. So too Stalingrad. More recently, Fallujah and Mosul.
Why Hamas started this will forever be a mystery. War is serious business. The consequences last for hundreds of years. And no one gives a damn about some investigation.
Why yes there were major international investigations into war crimes following World War Two in the Pacific. Is that news to you?
“Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.
In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."”
What a sick entity is this Hamas.
Sure. But how do you justify the fact that that poor civilian is just as likely to be killed by Israel. I’m not sure how you can think that IDF is not harming more Palestinians than Hamas.
We all tried to warn you that this is the kind of terror that Putin would unleash if he were not stopped; the links between Russia and Hamas become more clear by the day.
Perhaps cozying up to Russia was not such a great idea?
“Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.
In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."”
What a sick entity is this Hamas.
LOL tell us how IDF gets these testimonials. Do they have officers with clipboards on the sidewalks?
No, these are recorded conversations.
Any day now Israel will turn all this testimony and the other evidence they have collected over to international human rights organizations for full investigations with which they will cooperate fully. Right?
I don't know why you are assuming Hamas is such a wonderful organization. Do you think Hamas is giving out lollipops to kids?
Hamas invaded Israel from Gaza. They committed extreme atrocities. They launched a war. Everyone would still be alive if it wasn't for Hamas and what they did.
Every nation in the world would respond militarily to an invasion like what Hamas committed.
If you don't like it, don't start wars. Most people avoid it because they are brutal and awful. But Hamas chose this.
It took more than two months for the UN to even acknowledge that Israeli women suffered during the Hamas attacks. The UN has no credibility. And neither does Amnesty International. Or Human Rights Watch. All those organizations are DEI and profoundly unsympathetic to women and children who aren't part of their list of acceptable people.
Strange, I didn’t say anything about Hamas. My comment was about how I assumed Israel, a first world democracy committed to the rights of civilians, would behave. Because Israel wants the international community to know the truth about all this, right?
Because it's war right now.
The first priority once the shooting stops will be figuring out how the Netenyahu government allowed this to happen to begin with. This was a huge security failure on Israel's part
As for how Israelis conduct this war, it's war. It's not rational. It's not moral. It's not fair. It's a bunch of 20 year old boys trying to kill each other.
Not a healthy place.
Do you think the Marines on Iwo Jima were full of kindness and mirth and good fellowship?
Are you investigating that too?
Hamas invaded Israel and launched this war. And it's sad and tragic. It really doesn't matter who investigates anything. Berlin was terrible. So too Stalingrad. More recently, Fallujah and Mosul.
Why Hamas started this will forever be a mystery. War is serious business. The consequences last for hundreds of years. And no one gives a damn about some investigation.
Why yes there were major international investigations into war crimes following World War Two in the Pacific. Is that news to you?
Don't waste your time with the PP. They post on here everyday with some variation of the same drivel. War is bad, every country would have done the same, Palestinians are the dumbest people ever, blah blah blah. They probably get paid to post these things on social media.
“Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.
In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."”
What a sick entity is this Hamas.
LOL tell us how IDF gets these testimonials. Do they have officers with clipboards on the sidewalks?
No, these are recorded conversations.
Any day now Israel will turn all this testimony and the other evidence they have collected over to international human rights organizations for full investigations with which they will cooperate fully. Right?
I don't know why you are assuming Hamas is such a wonderful organization. Do you think Hamas is giving out lollipops to kids?
Hamas invaded Israel from Gaza. They committed extreme atrocities. They launched a war. Everyone would still be alive if it wasn't for Hamas and what they did.
Every nation in the world would respond militarily to an invasion like what Hamas committed.
If you don't like it, don't start wars. Most people avoid it because they are brutal and awful. But Hamas chose this.
It took more than two months for the UN to even acknowledge that Israeli women suffered during the Hamas attacks. The UN has no credibility. And neither does Amnesty International. Or Human Rights Watch. All those organizations are DEI and profoundly unsympathetic to women and children who aren't part of their list of acceptable people.
Strange, I didn’t say anything about Hamas. My comment was about how I assumed Israel, a first world democracy committed to the rights of civilians, would behave. Because Israel wants the international community to know the truth about all this, right?
Because it's war right now.
The first priority once the shooting stops will be figuring out how the Netenyahu government allowed this to happen to begin with. This was a huge security failure on Israel's part
As for how Israelis conduct this war, it's war. It's not rational. It's not moral. It's not fair. It's a bunch of 20 year old boys trying to kill each other.
Not a healthy place.
Do you think the Marines on Iwo Jima were full of kindness and mirth and good fellowship?
Are you investigating that too?
Hamas invaded Israel and launched this war. And it's sad and tragic. It really doesn't matter who investigates anything. Berlin was terrible. So too Stalingrad. More recently, Fallujah and Mosul.
Why Hamas started this will forever be a mystery. War is serious business. The consequences last for hundreds of years. And no one gives a damn about some investigation.
Why yes there were major international investigations into war crimes following World War Two in the Pacific. Is that news to you?
Would totally be in favor of a modern Nuremberg Trials for the people responsible for this catastrophe.
Anonymous wrote:Hi all. I have a question but I don’t want to ask publicly because it might be dumb. I do not understand why the Palestinians - at a minimum the women and children - cannot be relocated to a refugee camp?
It seems to me we all can agree that Palestinian children are INNOCENT. Can the other countries not work together to create and transport them to a refugee camp, maybe in Egypt or Lebanon? It’s nuts that children are still in harms way.
First, and unfortunately, we can’t all seem to agree that Palestinian children are innocent. That’s why theres so much vocal defense of the bombing of civilian infrastructure/indiscriminate killing.
But the reason they cannot all be “transported” to Egypt or Lebanon is because they would never be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. They would become permanently stateless. Forcible deportation is a war crime (goes by the name of “ethnic cleansing”) and while the Israeli government is pushing hard for such cleansing to take place, the neighboring states are not willing to be party to a war crime.
So it’s best to leave them in harms way? Interestingly most countries offered Ukrainians a way out of Ukraine, knowing that most likely they will never return to the occupied areas. Such an idiotic argument, we would rather let them die …
Or you can stop bombing. Just a thought.
"Bombing" has largely been replaced by targeted drone strikes, it would appear. Maybe not all of it, but a whole lot. And of course, Hamas is fully capable of ending the conflict by stopping. Until then, the IDF will pursue its goals of dismantling Hamas.
Yes I see, doing a great job of eliminating these pesky Al-Dahdouh children with the drone strikes. Hamas, not so much. Reporter’s kids, yes.
The IDF targets the families of those who speak out. They want to intimidate other journalists and poets from speaking up against Israel. That's why they butchered Al-Dahdouh's 15yo and 7yo children and his 18-month-old grandson. It takes incredible courage for Palestinians to speak out against their oppressors, given what they have to risk. Practicing free speech means you and your children and grandchildren could be murdered.
They’ve killed more journalists and their families than Hamas in Gaza. I guess their battle is with the press. They don’t want the cameras on the injured and maimed because they are burned severely . Israel burned its own citizens severely on 10/7 as well when they bombed the kibbutz because they were too ineffective or intimidated to go to Hamas face to face house by house . This is Israeli eyewitness’ words. The government left them to fend for themselves for six hours . Some Hamas eben got so bored they told them to call the police or military so they can arrive and nothing until an aerial bombing of Beeri kibbutz by Israel.
This is outrageously false. What, so 10/7 was a false flag, IDF killed, burned and maimed 1200 of its own people while Hamas sat at home in Gaza, knitting blankets, reading stories to children and feeding the homeless? ABSOLUTELY false. There is a ton of video, there are photos, there is evidence, there are captured Hamas militants who admit doing it and take credit for doing it. It's utterly outrageous, false and unbelievable that you are trying to make these insane and repeatedly debunked claims. You should be ashamed. Your credibility is ZERO.
Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.
"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.
Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.
In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.
There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.
There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.
Was this in the US?
Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.
Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?
Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.
Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.
Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?
I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.
Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.
You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.
To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.
And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.
And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.
Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.
You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.
Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."
Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.
You gave two tragic examples of people being attacked and murdered. Of course they are tragic, and I wish they never happened, but my point that the sheer scale of the anti-semitism being displayed in the US currently is far greater than two isolated incidents of hate. All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe, who feels like they are not targeted by people who would rather support Hamas than the brave men and women of the IDF.
If you want to play that, “which side has been brutally murdered more” game, which is highly inappropriate, here are just a few of the Jewish Americans who were murdered recently due to the current wave of anti-semitism, which you certainly ignored:
If you want to call for peace, call for Hamas to surrender unconditionally and for their leaders to immediately surrender themselves so Israel can try them for their crimes and execute those found guilty. It is not Israel’s duty to let Hamas commit genocide against both the Jewish people and innocent Palestinians.
Earlier, you said, "You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people."
You seem determined to claim that Jewish suffering is worse than anyone else's suffering. When you look at what is going on in Gaza right now and the horrible tragedies of a 6yo stabbed to death and three young men shot, one of whom is now paralyzed from the chest down, perhaps you can see why this seems incredibly self-focused.
Not all Jewish people feel unsafe. My kids' have many Jewish friends, young people in their early twenties, who say they do not feel threatened by anti-Semitism. They are the most vehemently, vocally anti-Zionist people I know and are out there protesting. Paradigms, they are a-changing.
If you conflate Zionism with Judaism or if you're a Zionist, I'm sure it feels very uncomfortable to hear Zionist atrocities being called out and to witness the rage and disgust so many people feel toward Israel, but that pain is a necessary part of growth. As the Allies gained control of Europe toward the end of WW2, US troops marched German villagers through Buchenwald and other concentration camps. It must have been very unpleasant for the Germans, but it helped them understand what they might have been passively supporting. Zionist supporters with a conscience are no doubt going through a similar awakening as Israel's barbaric and racist behavior unfolds for the world to see.
Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.
But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.
They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.
It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.
I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.
Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.
And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.
This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.
Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?
Anonymous wrote:We all tried to warn you that this is the kind of terror that Putin would unleash if he were not stopped; the links between Russia and Hamas become more clear by the day.
Perhaps cozying up to Russia was not such a great idea?
Exactly. Russia leaves a trail of rot, corruption, destruction and death with everything it touches - Syria, Ukraine, and everywhere else.
Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.
"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.
Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.
In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.
There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.
There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.
Was this in the US?
Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.
Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?
Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.
Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.
Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?
I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.
Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.
You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.
To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.
And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.
And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.
Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.
You said that it was worse for Jewish people to see images of hostages being defaced than it was for a 6yo child to die in a particularly terrifying and painful way (stabbing) or for a 20yo college kid to be shot and paralyzed. That tells me everything that I need to know about your racism. You obviously think your feelings are more important than Muslim kids' survival or ability to walk.
Having just outed yourself as a self-absorbed, self-loving tender blossom who values your feelings above the life of a 6yo child, you then exhibit stunning irrationality by claiming I'm a "Hamas supporter" for pointing out Islamophobic cruelty. And you insist that good people protesting for a ceasefire to save lives in Gaza must want "Jewish genocide."
Do you seriously have so little humanity and compassion that you cannot see the good in people who want to stop horrific suffering in Gaza and are therefore calling for a ceasefire? And can you possibly be so extraordinarily narcissistic that the stabbing death of a real life child means less to you than your feelings about images (not human) being defaced (not stabbed)??? It's hard to understand, but you actually seem to feel insulted that anyone is talking about Islamophobia and these horrible attacks on young Muslims because it diverts attention from you and your issues. Like I said, pathological narcissism.
You gave two tragic examples of people being attacked and murdered. Of course they are tragic, and I wish they never happened, but my point that the sheer scale of the anti-semitism being displayed in the US currently is far greater than two isolated incidents of hate. All over the country Jews are absolutely terrified, are absolutely distraught as their friends, neighbors, and even neighbors turn against them and as their government refuses to protect them. I do not know a single Jew who currently feels safe, who feels like they are not targeted by people who would rather support Hamas than the brave men and women of the IDF.
If you want to play that, “which side has been brutally murdered more” game, which is highly inappropriate, here are just a few of the Jewish Americans who were murdered recently due to the current wave of anti-semitism, which you certainly ignored:
If you want to call for peace, call for Hamas to surrender unconditionally and for their leaders to immediately surrender themselves so Israel can try them for their crimes and execute those found guilty. It is not Israel’s duty to let Hamas commit genocide against both the Jewish people and innocent Palestinians.
Earlier, you said, "You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people."
You seem determined to claim that Jewish suffering is worse than anyone else's suffering. When you look at what is going on in Gaza right now and the horrible tragedies of a 6yo stabbed to death and three young men shot, one of whom is now paralyzed from the chest down, perhaps you can see why this seems incredibly self-focused.
Not all Jewish people feel unsafe. My kids' have many Jewish friends, young people in their early twenties, who say they do not feel threatened by anti-Semitism. They are the most vehemently, vocally anti-Zionist people I know and are out there protesting. Paradigms, they are a-changing.
If you conflate Zionism with Judaism or if you're a Zionist, I'm sure it feels very uncomfortable to hear Zionist atrocities being called out and to witness the rage and disgust so many people feel toward Israel, but that pain is a necessary part of growth. As the Allies gained control of Europe toward the end of WW2, US troops marched German villagers through Buchenwald and other concentration camps. It must have been very unpleasant for the Germans, but it helped them understand what they might have been passively supporting. Zionist supporters with a conscience are no doubt going through a similar awakening as Israel's barbaric and racist behavior unfolds for the world to see.
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+1 and more ...
Good lord, the PP pinned the tail, the ears, the eyes and everything else on that donkey. Their post should be pinned in this thread, that's for damn sure.
“Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.
In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.
One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."”
What a sick entity is this Hamas.
LOL tell us how IDF gets these testimonials. Do they have officers with clipboards on the sidewalks?
No, these are recorded conversations.
Any day now Israel will turn all this testimony and the other evidence they have collected over to international human rights organizations for full investigations with which they will cooperate fully. Right?
I don't know why you are assuming Hamas is such a wonderful organization. Do you think Hamas is giving out lollipops to kids?
Hamas invaded Israel from Gaza. They committed extreme atrocities. They launched a war. Everyone would still be alive if it wasn't for Hamas and what they did.
Every nation in the world would respond militarily to an invasion like what Hamas committed.
If you don't like it, don't start wars. Most people avoid it because they are brutal and awful. But Hamas chose this.
It took more than two months for the UN to even acknowledge that Israeli women suffered during the Hamas attacks. The UN has no credibility. And neither does Amnesty International. Or Human Rights Watch. All those organizations are DEI and profoundly unsympathetic to women and children who aren't part of their list of acceptable people.
Strange, I didn’t say anything about Hamas. My comment was about how I assumed Israel, a first world democracy committed to the rights of civilians, would behave. Because Israel wants the international community to know the truth about all this, right?
Because it's war right now.
The first priority once the shooting stops will be figuring out how the Netenyahu government allowed this to happen to begin with. This was a huge security failure on Israel's part
As for how Israelis conduct this war, it's war. It's not rational. It's not moral. It's not fair. It's a bunch of 20 year old boys trying to kill each other.
Not a healthy place.
Do you think the Marines on Iwo Jima were full of kindness and mirth and good fellowship?
Are you investigating that too?
Hamas invaded Israel and launched this war. And it's sad and tragic. It really doesn't matter who investigates anything. Berlin was terrible. So too Stalingrad. More recently, Fallujah and Mosul.
Why Hamas started this will forever be a mystery. War is serious business. The consequences last for hundreds of years. And no one gives a damn about some investigation.
Why yes there were major international investigations into war crimes following World War Two in the Pacific. Is that news to you?
Would totally be in favor of a modern Nuremberg Trials for the people responsible for this catastrophe.
Are you?
Yes absolutely, I’ve been posting for months that there should be a full scale international investigation into October 7th, that perpetrators should stand trial, etc. But I think one of the major benefits to the global community would be the truth, not the vast disinformation campaign.
Anonymous wrote:If there's so much evidence of Israel's supposed war crimes, then why do the Hamas propagandist keep having to fake it with "borrowed footage" and photos that aren't even from Gaza?
I dunno, why did Israel's first lady blamed Hamas for "cutting up a pregnant woman and stabbing her fetus" with the footage from 2017 Mexico cartel? Boggles the mind. It is a big unexplained mystery of nature.
Except nobody in this thread is currently talking about that photo as supposed evidence of Hamas atrocities, yet here YOU are, falsely touting footage of Russian atrocities in Ukraine as supposed IDF atrocities. That's a big deflection fail. The big unexplained mystery of nature is the one about the argument you thought would work - but doesn't.
What do you mean, nobody? I'm talking about right here.
Maybe we can talk about the war of competing lies, would you like that?
Yep, you are the only one here talking about the Israeli first lady's tweet. Nobody else here did. Nobody else here is giving it the credence and importance you seem to think it should have. Tough luck there. No pro-Israel poster was citing that tweet to try and generate emotional responses.
But YOU were the one who brought up supposed "OMG the IDF is using banned white phosphorus to burn babies!" which is untrue, yet you were caught actively using it to incite anger - whereas none of the pro-Israel posters were using the supposed tweet, which most of us haven't even seen in the first place.
So much for your false equivalence fail.
I wasn’t but you entirely overestimate the importance of who said what on DCUM. Did the First Lady post bogus footage or didn’t she? She did. That’s not in question. Everybody lies.
You STILL miss the point. Once again, for the slow people:
NOBODY in this thread is using the debunked first lady tweet as a means to rile DCUM readers and gain their sympathies in Israel's favor.
But YOU ARE using debunked claims about white phosphorus use against Gazan infants in order to rile DCUM readers and gain their sympathies in Palestines' favor.
Get it now? False equivalence, and very telling that you had to run out and find an example of an "Israel lies" that nobody here even used or bought into, as a way to excuse YOUR OWN lie.
Anonymous wrote:If there's so much evidence of Israel's supposed war crimes, then why do the Hamas propagandist keep having to fake it with "borrowed footage" and photos that aren't even from Gaza?
I dunno, why did Israel's first lady blamed Hamas for "cutting up a pregnant woman and stabbing her fetus" with the footage from 2017 Mexico cartel? Boggles the mind. It is a big unexplained mystery of nature.
Except nobody in this thread is currently talking about that photo as supposed evidence of Hamas atrocities, yet here YOU are, falsely touting footage of Russian atrocities in Ukraine as supposed IDF atrocities. That's a big deflection fail. The big unexplained mystery of nature is the one about the argument you thought would work - but doesn't.
What do you mean, nobody? I'm talking about right here.
Maybe we can talk about the war of competing lies, would you like that?
Yep, you are the only one here talking about the Israeli first lady's tweet. Nobody else here did. Nobody else here is giving it the credence and importance you seem to think it should have. Tough luck there. No pro-Israel poster was citing that tweet to try and generate emotional responses.
But YOU were the one who brought up supposed "OMG the IDF is using banned white phosphorus to burn babies!" which is untrue, yet you were caught actively using it to incite anger - whereas none of the pro-Israel posters were using the supposed tweet, which most of us haven't even seen in the first place.
So much for your false equivalence fail.
I wasn’t but you entirely overestimate the importance of who said what on DCUM. Did the First Lady post bogus footage or didn’t she? She did. That’s not in question. Everybody lies.
You STILL miss the point. Once again, for the slow people:
NOBODY in this thread is using the debunked first lady tweet as a means to rile DCUM readers and gain their sympathies in Israel's favor.
But YOU ARE using debunked claims about white phosphorus use against Gazan infants in order to rile DCUM readers and gain their sympathies in Palestines' favor.
Get it now? False equivalence, and very telling that you had to run out and find an example of an "Israel lies" that nobody here even used or bought into, as a way to excuse YOUR OWN lie.
Sorry, but you lost that point.
PP had to FIND an example of an Israeli lie??? It's much harder to search for and find an example of Israeli truth, FFS.
Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.
But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.
They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.
It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.
I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.
Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.
And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.
This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.
Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?
You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.
Anonymous wrote:The violence against Muslims in this country that was aforementioned… The 6 year old, his mother, and the 3 college friends is horrible. None of these acts were perpetrated by Jews, btw.
But please don’t say there has been no increase in antisemitism. The ugliness is everywhere. Including in Yonkers NY where a Jewish HS ( The Leffell School) basketball team was playing Roosevelt HS.
They had to stop the game because the players on Roosevelt’s team were roughing them up and playing violently. They also shouted antisemitic slurs.
It seems that one of the slurs they shouted was “Free Palestine” during the game, while another one was “I’m pro-Hamas you f%#^*ing Jew”. Let’s just see if they suffer any consequences.
I am sure there is an increase in antisemitism. The behavior at the basketball game is horrible, especially roughing up other players. "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic (one can be sympathetic to Palestinians' political aspirations without having any animosity toward Jews), but the other statement you mention is repugnant. Nobody should say that, and I hope the players will be disciplined.
Free Palestine is not, nor will it ever be, an anti-semitic remark.
And yet a coach and a player suffered IMMEDIATE and SERIOUS consequences - which is exactly what happens EVERY TIME anyone dares to criticize the sacred cow / the 21st century Voldemort / whatever.
This douchenozzle PP jazz hands'd away the FACT of a 6 year old kid being savagely slaughtered in a murderous act of Islamophobia, the FACT of three young men being sprayed with bullets in another murderous act of Islamophobia (one of them now paralyzed), the FACT of a deranged Jewish school teacher threatening to behead a student in yet another act of Islamophobic violence ... because some kids were scared of loud noises on library doors that one time. They asserted that certain language was used (there's no evidence of that, apparently), they asserted that the other team was "roughed up" (there's no evidence of that, apparently). All because Hasbara, and one group's seemingly never-ending campaign to slander critics of Israel and cast itself as victims.
Sincerely, why? Why do we have to deal with this insanity?
You omitted the part where the suspended basketball player said to the Jewish players “you fing Jew”. What does a teenage girl basketball player have to do with the conflict? All didn’t mention how the team tried to rough up the Jewish basketball team. Well deserved firing and suspension.
What doIvy League presidents have to do with the current conflict?
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