Framing Britney Spears

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

And her dad isn't her conservator anymore. She's complaining but she's not making sense.

Well, it sounds like she wants more changes than just swapping out her dad. Which is fair. She’s a person, not a show pony.

Read her statement. She's complaining about going to a therapist 2x/week and a psychiatrist 1x/week. And she's very upset that she wasn't allowed to go out and get her hair and nails done during COVID. But all of these horrors that she's complaining about happened under the professional conservator, not her dad. She hasn't done shows in years.

Yeah, she had reason to complain about conservatorship under Jamie, there were so many conflicts of interest there. But now? THe things she's complaining about suggest to me that she's not competent to make healthy choices.

Most people would complain about someone else making choices for them instead of allowing them to make their own choices. That doesn’t provide any evidence that she’s not competent.

Sure, i hope I'm wrong, and as someone said, tons of pop stars flame out without anyone watching them and if that's what Britney wants, there's a case to be made for allowing her to do so. But no one is going to be able to gauge competency if she won't let them evaluate her, and that's what Britney really doesn't want.

Well, surely the mental health experts who have been meeting with her three times a week have some idea of her competency.

Therapists don't make diagnoses.

Uh, yes, we do. Those of us who are legally allowed to by our licenses, at least (e.g., psychologists, social workers, psychiatrists, sometimes counselors).

A competency evaluation is a different process, although if it's any good it would include interviews with her regular therapists.

Also, she's protesting having to see a therapist located in a high visibility area, which is a completely reasonable protest. She shouldn't have to be photographed coming out of therapy in tears (which is not uncommon), FFS.

There's a LOT going on in her statement.

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Anonymous wrote:Therapists (clinical psychologists) do diagnose. As do psychiatrists. The former also do psychological testing and report writing.

Not all therapists are clinical psychologists. A therapist can be a licensed social worker or a life coach or a counselor, and none of those can diagnose (can provide inputs for another to diagnose). It's not stated who Britney was seeing.

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It's likely that all of her psychological data is gathered, from multiple sources, to get a comprehensive picture of her thinking, functioning, strengths and limits. Strengths, her motivation to work and progress woukd be gathered and considered too.

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Isn't it true that her father still controls her money? I don't believe he was removed from that. He is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Therapists (clinical psychologists) do diagnose. As do psychiatrists. The former also do psychological testing and report writing.

Not all therapists are clinical psychologists. A therapist can be a licensed social worker or a life coach or a counselor, and none of those can diagnose (can provide inputs for another to diagnose). It's not stated who Britney was seeing.

Licensed social workers can render diagnoses, at least in states allowing them to.

Counselors, less so.

Life coaches are not therapists.

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Anonymous wrote:Therapists (clinical psychologists) do diagnose. As do psychiatrists. The former also do psychological testing and report writing.

Not all therapists are clinical psychologists. A therapist can be a licensed social worker or a life coach or a counselor, and none of those can diagnose (can provide inputs for another to diagnose). It's not stated who Britney was seeing.

Yes, I am aware not all therapists are clinical psychologists. Yes no one knows who she sees. Although her psych testing, which she was referring to in her statement, was likely done by a psychologist. Trust me...she's not primarily seeing a "life coach." She has a complicated varied team of experts to match her complicated mental health status.

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Anonymous wrote:It's likely that all of her psychological data is gathered, from multiple sources, to get a comprehensive picture of her thinking, functioning, strengths and limits. Strengths, her motivation to work and progress woukd be gathered and considered too.

+1 A good evaluation would have all of these things integrated. It wouldn't just be something written by her psychiatrist. ANd with Britney's resources, she probably has a huge set of medical and psychological documentation to draw upon.

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Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?

What else would he see in her?
Britney is very sweet, but what would the appeal of a badly aging, very damaged white trash former pop star to an absolutely gorgeous Iranian man 12 years her junior?

You’re a disgusting human being. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's likely that all of her psychological data is gathered, from multiple sources, to get a comprehensive picture of her thinking, functioning, strengths and limits. Strengths, her motivation to work and progress woukd be gathered and considered too.

+1 A good evaluation would have all of these things integrated. It wouldn't just be something written by her psychiatrist. ANd with Britney's resources, she probably has a huge set of medical and psychological documentation to draw upon.

Yes and strengths/progress are part of the report

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Anonymous wrote:Britney and her boyfriend have been together for 5 years. He's put up with a lot of BS in 5 years. Do you really think this is some long game con for him trying to get her money?

What else would he see in her?
Britney is very sweet, but what would the appeal of a badly aging, very damaged white trash former pop star to an absolutely gorgeous Iranian man 12 years her junior?

You’re a disgusting human being. Shame on you.

I wouldn’t say all those horrible things about her BF but I do believe he’s using her and hoping to get a hold of her money.

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I just woke up from a coma on another planet - can you explain why Britney is angry at her sister? What did Jamie-Lynn do wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

And her dad isn't her conservator anymore. She's complaining but she's not making sense.

Well, it sounds like she wants more changes than just swapping out her dad. Which is fair. She’s a person, not a show pony.

Read her statement. She's complaining about going to a therapist 2x/week and a psychiatrist 1x/week. And she's very upset that she wasn't allowed to go out and get her hair and nails done during COVID. But all of these horrors that she's complaining about happened under the professional conservator, not her dad. She hasn't done shows in years.

Those complaints are not unreasonable on their face. We all got to make our own choices about which risks to take during the pandemic. I can understand that she would like to do that too. Also, she has enough money that her overseers could have allowed an aesthetician to be paid to do her nails in her backyard while wearing a mask. Her desires and preferences should in fact matter when it comes to her own life.

Yes, NP, these requests seem more than reasonable to me, and more to the point, I question why it is remotely appropriate for a conservator to run her life down to the details like this. Their job is to protect her and her estate from serious harm, self-inflicted or otherwise. It is just incredible controlling and sexist to boot to be telling her what she should do in terms of hair/nails, COVID or not, or even compelling more than the minimum in terms of health/therapy. (And presumably she would have to comply with the laws of her location/state, so I don't see why COVID is really an issue at all).

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

If their conservators signed book deals for them, then logically their conservators would bear responsibility if the damn book just doesn't get written.

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Anonymous wrote:Her dad is no longer her conservator and has not been for quite a while

What are you talking about. Her Dad is still co-conservator of her estate--I thought that's one of the big problems.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/britney-spears-pleads-judge-end-13-year-conservatorship/story?id=78400217

Jamie Spears still holds the position of co-conservator of his daughter's estate, along with financial group Bessemer Trust, which was appointed by Penny in November 2020.

The singer's father acted as the conservator of her person, which includes her medical decisions and more, until September 2019.

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Anonymous wrote:I have worked with individuals with medical Powers of attorney and conservatorships who signed a book deals or art installation contracts for them

Just because someone is not 100% able to understand reality or handle finances or day-to-day living does not mean they are completely not functional or stop having skills or abilities.

Right, but then it becomes a fine line between slavery and indentured servitude. What Britney experience was indeed slavery. She honestly just needs to quit working completely and see who still has a vested interest in managing her affairs then. It's clear that her family's entire motivation is just money.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she is currently thinking along these lines. Hasn’t she said that she won’t work anymore until her dad is no longer her conservator?

And her dad isn't her conservator anymore. She's complaining but she's not making sense.

Well, it sounds like she wants more changes than just swapping out her dad. Which is fair. She’s a person, not a show pony.

Read her statement. She's complaining about going to a therapist 2x/week and a psychiatrist 1x/week. And she's very upset that she wasn't allowed to go out and get her hair and nails done during COVID. But all of these horrors that she's complaining about happened under the professional conservator, not her dad. She hasn't done shows in years.

Those complaints are not unreasonable on their face. We all got to make our own choices about which risks to take during the pandemic. I can understand that she would like to do that too. Also, she has enough money that her overseers could have allowed an aesthetician to be paid to do her nails in her backyard while wearing a mask. Her desires and preferences should in fact matter when it comes to her own life.

Yes, NP, these requests seem more than reasonable to me, and more to the point, I question why it is remotely appropriate for a conservator to run her life down to the details like this. Their job is to protect her and her estate from serious harm, self-inflicted or otherwise. It is just incredible controlling and sexist to boot to be telling her what she should do in terms of hair/nails, COVID or not, or even compelling more than the minimum in terms of health/therapy. (And presumably she would have to comply with the laws of her location/state, so I don't see why COVID is really an issue at all).

Does she live in California? They had some of the strictest COVID restrictions. Salons were closed for a long time and doubtful she could have gone to a salon or even get personnel to come to the house. Many of us “suffered” not getting our hair and nails done.