Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Klobuchar and Sherrord Brown or Brown and Klobuchar.

Both are good, but kind of boring (which may be newly appreciated after the Trump fiasco). Sub in Beto at the VP slot to make a more exciting ticket.

Brown takes Ohio, which is needed to win. They won't be neay as boring as Pence and whomever he picks for his VP. Rumpus is going to look at polls and see that he will do worse than Goldwater and fake an illness and announce he will not seek re-eletion.

[Anonymous]

Beto is part of the “New Democratic coalition” caucus in the house.

A third way plant.

Don’t trust him.

[Anonymous]

I feel fairly confident that Amy Klobuchar's intelligence, experience and "Minnesota nice" would make her a compelling candidate against Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-2020-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Ms. Klobuchar coasted to a third Senate term, clobbering her Republican opponent with 60 percent of the vote in a state that President Trump nearly won in 2016. Now Minnesota’s most popular politician is weighing whether her home state appeal — forged through carefully cultivated bipartisanship in Washington and an aw-shucks-I’m-just-like-you persona — will translate on a national stage.

As Democrats look ahead to 2020, Ms. Klobuchar’s presence in a jam-packed field of potential contenders raises a core question about what kind of candidate can beat Mr. Trump. At a moment when confrontational progressives such as Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are captivating the party’s imagination and tapping into its anger, do Democrats need a firebrand Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders type who can whip up the liberal left and match Mr. Trump’s pugnacity?

Or do they need a calm, reasoned, reliable (but not flashy) Democrat from the American heartland to provide a stark contrast to the president — in short, Amy Klobuchar?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel fairly confident that Amy Klobuchar's intelligence, experience and "Minnesota nice" would make her a compelling candidate against Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-2020-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Ms. Klobuchar coasted to a third Senate term, clobbering her Republican opponent with 60 percent of the vote in a state that President Trump nearly won in 2016. Now Minnesota’s most popular politician is weighing whether her home state appeal — forged through carefully cultivated bipartisanship in Washington and an aw-shucks-I’m-just-like-you persona — will translate on a national stage.

As Democrats look ahead to 2020, Ms. Klobuchar’s presence in a jam-packed field of potential contenders raises a core question about what kind of candidate can beat Mr. Trump. At a moment when confrontational progressives such as Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are captivating the party’s imagination and tapping into its anger, do Democrats need a firebrand Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders type who can whip up the liberal left and match Mr. Trump’s pugnacity?

Or do they need a calm, reasoned, reliable (but not flashy) Democrat from the American heartland to provide a stark contrast to the president — in short, Amy Klobuchar?

I am desperate for her leadership. Boring, smart, competent, caring, experienced - count me in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel fairly confident that Amy Klobuchar's intelligence, experience and "Minnesota nice" would make her a compelling candidate against Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-2020-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Ms. Klobuchar coasted to a third Senate term, clobbering her Republican opponent with 60 percent of the vote in a state that President Trump nearly won in 2016. Now Minnesota’s most popular politician is weighing whether her home state appeal — forged through carefully cultivated bipartisanship in Washington and an aw-shucks-I’m-just-like-you persona — will translate on a national stage.

As Democrats look ahead to 2020, Ms. Klobuchar’s presence in a jam-packed field of potential contenders raises a core question about what kind of candidate can beat Mr. Trump. At a moment when confrontational progressives such as Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are captivating the party’s imagination and tapping into its anger, do Democrats need a firebrand Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders type who can whip up the liberal left and match Mr. Trump’s pugnacity?

Or do they need a calm, reasoned, reliable (but not flashy) Democrat from the American heartland to provide a stark contrast to the president — in short, Amy Klobuchar?

I am desperate for her leadership. Boring, smart, competent, caring, experienced - count me in.

She is on my short list.

[Anonymous]

Why Beto should run.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/politics/beto-orourke-2020/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel fairly confident that Amy Klobuchar's intelligence, experience and "Minnesota nice" would make her a compelling candidate against Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-2020-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Ms. Klobuchar coasted to a third Senate term, clobbering her Republican opponent with 60 percent of the vote in a state that President Trump nearly won in 2016. Now Minnesota’s most popular politician is weighing whether her home state appeal — forged through carefully cultivated bipartisanship in Washington and an aw-shucks-I’m-just-like-you persona — will translate on a national stage.

As Democrats look ahead to 2020, Ms. Klobuchar’s presence in a jam-packed field of potential contenders raises a core question about what kind of candidate can beat Mr. Trump. At a moment when confrontational progressives such as Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are captivating the party’s imagination and tapping into its anger, do Democrats need a firebrand Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders type who can whip up the liberal left and match Mr. Trump’s pugnacity?

Or do they need a calm, reasoned, reliable (but not flashy) Democrat from the American heartland to provide a stark contrast to the president — in short, Amy Klobuchar?

I am desperate for her leadership. Boring, smart, competent, caring, experienced - count me in.

I would vote for her but she is known on the hill to be shitty to her staff.

I don’t think she’s a great leader at all.

[Anonymous]

Warren giving huge foreign policy vision address tomorrow at AU.

Looks like she’s getting closer to a run.

[Anonymous]

There's just something about Beto!

Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) is inspiring aides and allies of former President Obama, who say they could support him if he decides to run for president in 2020.

The Obama allies are quick to point out similarities between O’Rourke, 46, and the former president, who was 47 when he was elected to the White House.

Both are political upstarts with unusual names who seemingly came out of nowhere and inspired thousands upon thousands of people to be part of a movement.

In many ways, say the Obama supporters, O’Rourke is a 2020 version of their former boss.

“That ability to make people feel invested in his campaign and his story does remind me of Obama ‘08,” said David Litt, who served as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. “You see the crowds and the enthusiasm, the kind of movement that isn’t about me but about us.”

Another former Obama aide said O’Rourke, even after losing his Senate bid, has energized the party like no one since the former president.

“The party hasn’t seen this kind of enthusiasm since Obama,” the aide said. “There isn’t one other potential candidate out there that has people buzzing. And that’s exactly why people supported Obama and why they’ll support Beto.”

Dan Pfeiffer, the former senior adviser to Obama who now co-hosts the popular “Pod Save America” podcast, penned a piece for Crooked Media on Monday that made the case for why O’Rourke should run.

“I have never seen a Senate candidate — including Obama in 2004 — inspire the sort of enthusiasm that Beto did in this race,” Pfeiffer said, adding that if O’Rourke were to run, “he would be one of the strongest candidates in the field.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's just something about Beto!

Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) is inspiring aides and allies of former President Obama, who say they could support him if he decides to run for president in 2020.

The Obama allies are quick to point out similarities between O’Rourke, 46, and the former president, who was 47 when he was elected to the White House.

Both are political upstarts with unusual names who seemingly came out of nowhere and inspired thousands upon thousands of people to be part of a movement.

In many ways, say the Obama supporters, O’Rourke is a 2020 version of their former boss.

“That ability to make people feel invested in his campaign and his story does remind me of Obama ‘08,” said David Litt, who served as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. “You see the crowds and the enthusiasm, the kind of movement that isn’t about me but about us.”

Another former Obama aide said O’Rourke, even after losing his Senate bid, has energized the party like no one since the former president.

“The party hasn’t seen this kind of enthusiasm since Obama,” the aide said. “There isn’t one other potential candidate out there that has people buzzing. And that’s exactly why people supported Obama and why they’ll support Beto.”

Dan Pfeiffer, the former senior adviser to Obama who now co-hosts the popular “Pod Save America” podcast, penned a piece for Crooked Media on Monday that made the case for why O’Rourke should run.

“I have never seen a Senate candidate — including Obama in 2004 — inspire the sort of enthusiasm that Beto did in this race,” Pfeiffer said, adding that if O’Rourke were to run, “he would be one of the strongest candidates in the field.”

Yeah - he’s a neoliberal fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's just something about Beto!

Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) is inspiring aides and allies of former President Obama, who say they could support him if he decides to run for president in 2020.

The Obama allies are quick to point out similarities between O’Rourke, 46, and the former president, who was 47 when he was elected to the White House.

Both are political upstarts with unusual names who seemingly came out of nowhere and inspired thousands upon thousands of people to be part of a movement.

In many ways, say the Obama supporters, O’Rourke is a 2020 version of their former boss.

“That ability to make people feel invested in his campaign and his story does remind me of Obama ‘08,” said David Litt, who served as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. “You see the crowds and the enthusiasm, the kind of movement that isn’t about me but about us.”

Another former Obama aide said O’Rourke, even after losing his Senate bid, has energized the party like no one since the former president.

“The party hasn’t seen this kind of enthusiasm since Obama,” the aide said. “There isn’t one other potential candidate out there that has people buzzing. And that’s exactly why people supported Obama and why they’ll support Beto.”

Dan Pfeiffer, the former senior adviser to Obama who now co-hosts the popular “Pod Save America” podcast, penned a piece for Crooked Media on Monday that made the case for why O’Rourke should run.

“I have never seen a Senate candidate — including Obama in 2004 — inspire the sort of enthusiasm that Beto did in this race,” Pfeiffer said, adding that if O’Rourke were to run, “he would be one of the strongest candidates in the field.”

Yeah - he’s a neoliberal fraud.

Oh, is that the selected RWNJ smear? Good to know.

Klobuchar O’Rourke 2020

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's just something about Beto!

Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) is inspiring aides and allies of former President Obama, who say they could support him if he decides to run for president in 2020.

The Obama allies are quick to point out similarities between O’Rourke, 46, and the former president, who was 47 when he was elected to the White House.

Both are political upstarts with unusual names who seemingly came out of nowhere and inspired thousands upon thousands of people to be part of a movement.

In many ways, say the Obama supporters, O’Rourke is a 2020 version of their former boss.

“That ability to make people feel invested in his campaign and his story does remind me of Obama ‘08,” said David Litt, who served as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. “You see the crowds and the enthusiasm, the kind of movement that isn’t about me but about us.”

Another former Obama aide said O’Rourke, even after losing his Senate bid, has energized the party like no one since the former president.

“The party hasn’t seen this kind of enthusiasm since Obama,” the aide said. “There isn’t one other potential candidate out there that has people buzzing. And that’s exactly why people supported Obama and why they’ll support Beto.”

Dan Pfeiffer, the former senior adviser to Obama who now co-hosts the popular “Pod Save America” podcast, penned a piece for Crooked Media on Monday that made the case for why O’Rourke should run.

“I have never seen a Senate candidate — including Obama in 2004 — inspire the sort of enthusiasm that Beto did in this race,” Pfeiffer said, adding that if O’Rourke were to run, “he would be one of the strongest candidates in the field.”

Yeah - he’s a neoliberal fraud.

Oh, is that the selected RWNJ smear? Good to know.

Klobuchar O’Rourke 2020

+1 The Trump lovers are just jealous that we have young, smart, ethical talent up for election in 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trying again here since Jeff deleted the hypothetical Hillary vs. Trump 2020 thread for whatever reason.

HRC is not going to run in 2020, but that won't stop Trump from behaving as if she is.

But if she did, I think she would win. She's not stupid - the tactical errors that contributed to her loss in 2016 would be addressed. And I think enough voters have buyer's remorse about helping elect Trump that she doesn't have to worry as much about butthurt Bernie and idiot 3rd-party voters undermining her support.

In fact, I think just about anybody would beat Trump in 2020. Even putting aside his manifest unsuitability for the job, he really has next to nothing in terms of actual accomplishments he can run on.

I admire your faith in Clinton, but she would lose by a larger margin in 2020. Although I encourage the Dems to run her

It's not a matter of faith. Clinton's 2016 defeat was "a death from a thousand cuts" from multiple issues (some of them self-inflicted), none of which by themselves would have been enough to cause her defeat, but added together... I firmly believe that if even one of those issues - it doesn't matter which one - were removed, we'd be talking about President Clinton today.

Correct one or more of the tactical errors she made in 2016, and I believe she would beat Trump handily in 2020.

She made tactical errors in 2008 too. She's just not that good of a campaigner. But her biggest error is her lack of political instincts. She never understood the nature of the threats against her. She has not understood it for 30 years, so she has always been vulnerable. Even if she had won in 2016, she would have had trouble governing. Endless investigations, Trump tweeting about her every move, no legislation getting through Congress. She's a very capable bureaucrat, but bureaucrats aren't political leaders.

She came out yesterday telling Europe to get control of immigration. She made mistakes not understanding mid-America's concerns about the border. She's working to fix her tactical mistakes. Clinton 4.0 will get it right this time.

She's boring, but maybe that's what we need now.

I voted for her, but she needs to go away. Her time has come and gone. She needs to move on. No more Bushes. No more Clintons. No more Trumps. No more Sanders. We need somebody born after 1958 to run and win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why Beto should run.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/politics/beto-orourke-2020/index.html

Who are all these people saying Beto should run for President. He needs to first win a state wide election in his home state before expanding nationwide. There will be a Senate seat open in Texas in 2020. Beto needs to focus on picking up that seat.

[Anonymous]

It'll be about getting out the vote and the "Clinton Machine" is a proven model. She can raise money, has name recognition, and is the only one in a position to clear the field and avoid a brutal primary season.

If we have 25 people in a debate taking shots at each other we are wasting energy and knocking each other down to the benefit of trumpy.

Most importantly, she's proven to be able to win the popular vote. The right lesson learned should to be to refocus efforts in a few key places and for us not to take it for granted again, not to have a primary bloodbath.

#stillwithher