America is just completely broken

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Anonymous wrote:Totally understand that but the unmatched US doctors should not have gone to medical school. They just are not smart enough. The foreign born ones that make it are the crème de la crème. This is a capitalistic society.

The only way to correct this is to offer merit-based scholarships to med school.

Whatever dude. Keep gaslighting
Are the foreign ones truly smarter or just more willing to work like slaves?

Overall foreign H1-Bworkers aren't necessarily any smarter or better than American workers. What’s really happening is selection bias: the people who manage to get H‑1Bs are usually the most ambitious, best‑credentialed, and most mobile workers from their home countries. They’re not representative of the average worker abroad; they’re the ones willing to uproot their lives, compete in a global talent pool, and navigate a visa system with far more applicants than slots.

In terms of skills, H‑1B workers and U.S. workers are generally comparable in training to American workers, especially in STEM fields where education standards are globally aligned. The difference is often economic rather than intellectual: employers value H‑1Bs because they’re tied to a visa, less likely to job‑hop, and sometimes willing to accept lower compensation or fewer options for advancement. That dynamic can make them more attractive to employers, but not any reflection of innate ability.

So no, they aren't smarter or better, nor are they actually really filling skills gaps in the U.S. In reality, employers are just exploiting a structural loophole: H‑1Bs give companies a supply of skilled workers who are tied to their visa and therefore have less bargaining power. That dynamic lets employers undercut U.S. wages without admitting that’s what they’re doing.

I was employed as a senior research scientist at NASA for many years. It was very difficult to find native-born Americans who were interested in scientific research careers, and who also had the necessary technical skills. Most of our postdocs were foreign born, even though onboarding them was extremely difficult. The situation may be different for "tech" careers like programming or AI, but in the physical sciences US born students lag far behind both in interest and skills.

I know of a lot of US STEM grads who are having a hard time finding work, because the job market is oversaturated with H1-B visa holders. That in turn will discourage other American kids from wanting to go into STEM, knowing it's a dead-end. We really need to fix this.

As a tech recruiter hiring for F50 firms, let me just say that I cannot find enough Americans to hire who have the tech backgrounds needed.

This is a reality. All you idiots do not know what you are talking about, suggesting that foreigners either are as qualified as Americans or shouldn't be hired for tech jobs over Americans. There simply aren't American candidates to hire for tech jobs because 1. They are just uneducated 2. They study law 3. They go into sales 4. They work retail.

Not enough Americans go into STEM. They go into law and sales. They simply do not have the backgrounds to pursue math based careers like engineering. They can do IT development and network admin but the complexity of software engineering and cyber (tech v policy) is where complexity is. I see it even in my kids' HS - everyone in AP even American are second gen immigrant families in the math and science classes.

Americans go into sales and they are rock stars in selling - there's no cultural ramp into doing the work. It's about marketing and making money off that work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Totally understand that but the unmatched US doctors should not have gone to medical school. They just are not smart enough. The foreign born ones that make it are the crème de la crème. This is a capitalistic society.

The only way to correct this is to offer merit-based scholarships to med school.

Whatever dude. Keep gaslighting
Are the foreign ones truly smarter or just more willing to work like slaves?

Overall foreign H1-Bworkers aren't necessarily any smarter or better than American workers. What’s really happening is selection bias: the people who manage to get H‑1Bs are usually the most ambitious, best‑credentialed, and most mobile workers from their home countries. They’re not representative of the average worker abroad; they’re the ones willing to uproot their lives, compete in a global talent pool, and navigate a visa system with far more applicants than slots.

In terms of skills, H‑1B workers and U.S. workers are generally comparable in training to American workers, especially in STEM fields where education standards are globally aligned. The difference is often economic rather than intellectual: employers value H‑1Bs because they’re tied to a visa, less likely to job‑hop, and sometimes willing to accept lower compensation or fewer options for advancement. That dynamic can make them more attractive to employers, but not any reflection of innate ability.

So no, they aren't smarter or better, nor are they actually really filling skills gaps in the U.S. In reality, employers are just exploiting a structural loophole: H‑1Bs give companies a supply of skilled workers who are tied to their visa and therefore have less bargaining power. That dynamic lets employers undercut U.S. wages without admitting that’s what they’re doing.

I was employed as a senior research scientist at NASA for many years. It was very difficult to find native-born Americans who were interested in scientific research careers, and who also had the necessary technical skills. Most of our postdocs were foreign born, even though onboarding them was extremely difficult. The situation may be different for "tech" careers like programming or AI, but in the physical sciences US born students lag far behind both in interest and skills.

I know of a lot of US STEM grads who are having a hard time finding work, because the job market is oversaturated with H1-B visa holders. That in turn will discourage other American kids from wanting to go into STEM, knowing it's a dead-end. We really need to fix this.

As a tech recruiter hiring for F50 firms, let me just say that I cannot find enough Americans to hire who have the tech backgrounds needed.

This is a reality. All you idiots do not know what you are talking about, suggesting that foreigners either are as qualified as Americans or shouldn't be hired for tech jobs over Americans. There simply aren't American candidates to hire for tech jobs because 1. They are just uneducated 2. They study law 3. They go into sales 4. They work retail.

Not enough Americans go into STEM. They go into law and sales. They simply do not have the backgrounds to pursue math based careers like engineering. They can do IT development and network admin but the complexity of software engineering and cyber (tech v policy) is where complexity is. I see it even in my kids' HS - everyone in AP even American are second gen immigrant families in the math and science classes.

Americans go into sales and they are rock stars in selling - there's no cultural ramp into doing the work. It's about marketing and making money off that work.

You have a very limited worldview. Do you live in Ashburn? Is this why “no white kids are doing stem.” Is that what you’re trying to say? Because you live in a bubble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally understand that but the unmatched US doctors should not have gone to medical school. They just are not smart enough. The foreign born ones that make it are the crème de la crème. This is a capitalistic society.

The only way to correct this is to offer merit-based scholarships to med school.

Are the foreign ones truly smarter or just more willing to work like slaves?

Overall foreign H1-Bworkers aren't necessarily any smarter or better than American workers. What’s really happening is selection bias: the people who manage to get H‑1Bs are usually the most ambitious, best‑credentialed, and most mobile workers from their home countries. They’re not representative of the average worker abroad; they’re the ones willing to uproot their lives, compete in a global talent pool, and navigate a visa system with far more applicants than slots.

In terms of skills, H‑1B workers and U.S. workers are generally comparable in training to American workers, especially in STEM fields where education standards are globally aligned. The difference is often economic rather than intellectual: employers value H‑1Bs because they’re tied to a visa, less likely to job‑hop, and sometimes willing to accept lower compensation or fewer options for advancement. That dynamic can make them more attractive to employers, but not any reflection of innate ability.

So no, they aren't smarter or better, nor are they actually really filling skills gaps in the U.S. In reality, employers are just exploiting a structural loophole: H‑1Bs give companies a supply of skilled workers who are tied to their visa and therefore have less bargaining power. That dynamic lets employers undercut U.S. wages without admitting that’s what they’re doing.

I was employed as a senior research scientist at NASA for many years. It was very difficult to find native-born Americans who were interested in scientific research careers, and who also had the necessary technical skills. Most of our postdocs were foreign born, even though onboarding them was extremely difficult. The situation may be different for "tech" careers like programming or AI, but in the physical sciences US born students lag far behind both in interest and skills.

I know of a lot of US STEM grads who are having a hard time finding work, because the job market is oversaturated with H1-B visa holders. That in turn will discourage other American kids from wanting to go into STEM, knowing it's a dead-end. We really need to fix this.

Look in the College Forum on this site. Kids are often discouraged from going into hard sciences. The jobs aren’t there, except in academia which is cutthroat and has terrible pay.

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Haven't read the whole thread but maybe not enough Americans go into stem because it is unattractive? Salaries are not great for researchers and what is the growth potential? Not sure if the lack of attractiveness is because of foreign competition that keeps salaries low? Anyways I have a son who is kind of a classic stem person but I am hesitant to have him go into stem. What good career options are there?

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We have a lot of h1bs its annoying our tech company treats them as some humanitarian concern, I went to fire one woman and she claimed that it would be a hardship to go back to Palestine. We also pay them less as there is no requirement to pay them the prevailing wage until they get a green card.

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Anonymous wrote:14 of 15 residents in this Indiana internal medicine program are from foreign countries.

12 of the 15 are from Pakistan.

Is there some reason DCUM needs to see Mary's daily stupidity?

You know if the MAGA broligharchs truly wanted no H1B, why are they not making free college and tech schools?

hy are they not telling their followers it's patriotic to learn math and science?

Why is Trump not funding more medical residencies and expanding rural healthcare?

Why is Trump not creating a jobs program?

Why did he eliminate green energy, which would be fantastic jobs for MAGA white men?

Why hasn't Trump given a single speech about what he plans for the US workforce once the H1B jobs are eliminated?



...I'll wait.

Keep gaslighting, keep denying what we see in front of us. That there is a pathway that is not being afforded to Americans (born here) that want it.

I love employing Americans and immigrants. Great. I’d love to see it appear to be somewhat equally handed out. Or that opportunities seem fair and attainable across all cultures, sexes, everything.

But you go ahead, keep pretending it’s not happening.

In the meantime, you’re also conflating anti-immigrant sentiment (which I don’t possess) with the real questions about purposeful immigration, employment for people already living here, and who know they want to remain here.

Imagine an extreme (thought experiment) that we have 12 million employed in a location. All are brought in as employable, intelligent people from other countries. 12 million born and raised for 15+ years of school here in our local communities are without jobs.

In this thought experiment, does that make sense?? It’s not right.

So, no you can't answer my question about why isn't Trump creating a plan to fill the H1B loss? I'm not pretending anything isn't happening. I'm asking what the g-ddammed plan is--but Trump doesn't have one. Oh wait he does...

Trump administration threatens to cut funding to Stanford, UCSD, Ohio State medical schools
https://apple.news/AlljUoS1dRImYqS27oVc-9w

So, Mary, spare me your twitter outrage. Let's hear you call Trump out on your profile instead of hardworking foreign students who will end up in rural hospitals helping impoverished MAGAs who hate them.

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Anonymous wrote:^and I loathe Trump. I never saw him as an answer to h1b. lol at “why is Trump not doing..” I didn’t vote for this.

Question is: why does this conversation get lost? Then day after day tens of thousands more h1bs start jobs. And American Layla, Liv, Rider, Sam, Elijah, and Taylor desperately want an office job when they graduate—learning specific industry skills as entry level workers—and they’re not able to find it.

Sure, you loathe Trump, but don't have any expectations for him. Such a low effing bar. If MAGA wants to do away with H1B, then it's THEIR responsibility to have a plan. Not a concept of a plan. A plan. Because there will be unintended consequences, which you blatantly ignore.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14 of 15 residents in this Indiana internal medicine program are from foreign countries.

12 of the 15 are from Pakistan.

Is there some reason DCUM needs to see Mary's daily stupidity?

You know if the MAGA broligharchs truly wanted no H1B, why are they not making free college and tech schools?

hy are they not telling their followers it's patriotic to learn math and science?

Why is Trump not funding more medical residencies and expanding rural healthcare?

Why is Trump not creating a jobs program?

Why did he eliminate green energy, which would be fantastic jobs for MAGA white men?

Why hasn't Trump given a single speech about what he plans for the US workforce once the H1B jobs are eliminated?



...I'll wait.

Keep gaslighting, keep denying what we see in front of us. That there is a pathway that is not being afforded to Americans (born here) that want it.

I love employing Americans and immigrants. Great. I’d love to see it appear to be somewhat equally handed out. Or that opportunities seem fair and attainable across all cultures, sexes, everything.

But you go ahead, keep pretending it’s not happening.

In the meantime, you’re also conflating anti-immigrant sentiment (which I don’t possess) with the real questions about purposeful immigration, employment for people already living here, and who know they want to remain here.

Imagine an extreme (thought experiment) that we have 12 million employed in a location. All are brought in as employable, intelligent people from other countries. 12 million born and raised for 15+ years of school here in our local communities are without jobs.

In this thought experiment, does that make sense?? It’s not right.

So, no you can't answer my question about why isn't Trump creating a plan to fill the H1B loss? I'm not pretending anything isn't happening. I'm asking what the g-ddammed plan is--but Trump doesn't have one. Oh wait he does...

Trump administration threatens to cut funding to Stanford, UCSD, Ohio State medical schools
https://apple.news/AlljUoS1dRImYqS27oVc-9w

So, Mary, spare me your twitter outrage. Let's hear you call Trump out on your profile instead of hardworking foreign students who will end up in rural hospitals helping impoverished MAGAs who hate them.

Hello? It is not Trump's job to fill H1B job loss, FFS! That's private industry's job.

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Anonymous wrote:^and I loathe Trump. I never saw him as an answer to h1b. lol at “why is Trump not doing..” I didn’t vote for this.

Question is: why does this conversation get lost? Then day after day tens of thousands more h1bs start jobs. And American Layla, Liv, Rider, Sam, Elijah, and Taylor desperately want an office job when they graduate—learning specific industry skills as entry level workers—and they’re not able to find it.

Sure, you loathe Trump, but don't have any expectations for him. Such a low effing bar. If MAGA wants to do away with H1B, then it's THEIR responsibility to have a plan. Not a concept of a plan. A plan. Because there will be unintended consequences, which you blatantly ignore.

What responsibility, d1ckhéad?

Is that a duty of a president? F no!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14 of 15 residents in this Indiana internal medicine program are from foreign countries.

12 of the 15 are from Pakistan.

Is there some reason DCUM needs to see Mary's daily stupidity?

You know if the MAGA broligharchs truly wanted no H1B, why are they not making free college and tech schools?

hy are they not telling their followers it's patriotic to learn math and science?

Why is Trump not funding more medical residencies and expanding rural healthcare?

Why is Trump not creating a jobs program?

Why did he eliminate green energy, which would be fantastic jobs for MAGA white men?

Why hasn't Trump given a single speech about what he plans for the US workforce once the H1B jobs are eliminated?



...I'll wait.

Keep gaslighting, keep denying what we see in front of us. That there is a pathway that is not being afforded to Americans (born here) that want it.

I love employing Americans and immigrants. Great. I’d love to see it appear to be somewhat equally handed out. Or that opportunities seem fair and attainable across all cultures, sexes, everything.

But you go ahead, keep pretending it’s not happening.

In the meantime, you’re also conflating anti-immigrant sentiment (which I don’t possess) with the real questions about purposeful immigration, employment for people already living here, and who know they want to remain here.

Imagine an extreme (thought experiment) that we have 12 million employed in a location. All are brought in as employable, intelligent people from other countries. 12 million born and raised for 15+ years of school here in our local communities are without jobs.

In this thought experiment, does that make sense?? It’s not right.

So, no you can't answer my question about why isn't Trump creating a plan to fill the H1B loss? I'm not pretending anything isn't happening. I'm asking what the g-ddammed plan is--but Trump doesn't have one. Oh wait he does...

Trump administration threatens to cut funding to Stanford, UCSD, Ohio State medical schools
https://apple.news/AlljUoS1dRImYqS27oVc-9w

So, Mary, spare me your twitter outrage. Let's hear you call Trump out on your profile instead of hardworking foreign students who will end up in rural hospitals helping impoverished MAGAs who hate them.

Hello? It is not Trump's job to fill H1B job loss, FFS! That's private industry's job.

LOL. If this is private industry's job, then why is the government weighing in on H1B? If they can't do their own hiring, then it IS the government's problem.

How are hospitals supposed to find US doctors if the president is threatening to cut medical school funding? Which you conveniently ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:^and I loathe Trump. I never saw him as an answer to h1b. lol at “why is Trump not doing..” I didn’t vote for this.

Question is: why does this conversation get lost? Then day after day tens of thousands more h1bs start jobs. And American Layla, Liv, Rider, Sam, Elijah, and Taylor desperately want an office job when they graduate—learning specific industry skills as entry level workers—and they’re not able to find it.

Sure, you loathe Trump, but don't have any expectations for him. Such a low effing bar. If MAGA wants to do away with H1B, then it's THEIR responsibility to have a plan. Not a concept of a plan. A plan. Because there will be unintended consequences, which you blatantly ignore.

What responsibility, d1ckhéad?

Is that a duty of a president? F no!

That's funny, is immigration a president's problem or not? Fine, screw the rural folks who will lose doctors. Okay?

[Anonymous]

Trump put all bank robbers out of business, so it's his job to come up with a plan to fill the jobs of bank robbers. //ridiculous//

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump put all bank robbers out of business, so it's his job to come up with a plan to fill the jobs of bank robbers. //ridiculous//

Sigh.....

Trump is raiding the treasury. He's the biggest bank robber of all time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump put all bank robbers out of business, so it's his job to come up with a plan to fill the jobs of bank robbers. //ridiculous//

Sigh.....

Trump is raiding the treasury. He's the biggest bank robber of all time.

SIGH. Seventeen cents of every dollar spent in the USA is spent on the medical industry. The highest percentage in the world.

It's strangling everything else. Burn it to the ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump put all bank robbers out of business, so it's his job to come up with a plan to fill the jobs of bank robbers. //ridiculous//

Sigh.....

Trump is raiding the treasury. He's the biggest bank robber of all time.

SIGH. Seventeen cents of every dollar spent in the USA is spent on the medical industry. The highest percentage in the world.

It's strangling everything else. Burn it to the ground.

Oh, I thought Trump couldn't get involved. You're hoping the capitalists will burn it to the ground. How cute.