FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

Wait - only ONE person?!? For all of FCPS??

FCPS = 183,000 students.

There is a near-zero chance of getting caught at that ratio.

I think the schools do it themselves. This was several years back but I was in our ES office and heard one of the employees making calls about residency questions. Two were even told their kids had to leave.

Suuuuuure you did.

I am filing that one under: “things that never happened.”

NP. Here's my data point. We've lived at the same address since before my kids were born but we had to rent a townhouse (still in FCPS but a different district) for a year while we were constructing a new house at the same address. We forwarded the mail to the townhome during the process. When the school got the address forwarding notification, they contacted us and we explained that we are in temporary housing but still live at that address. They pointed me to an FCPS process that had short-term provisions for temporary arrangements. I looked at the policies but the time periods were not long enough to allow us to stay. The school did keep hounding and I dodged them until we were back at the old address. Nothing further came of it. I don't know how long it would have taken them to do something more than call and email but they didn't ignore it.

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IB needs to be eliminated in FCPS. The numbers don't lie.

Once more: The SB as said they want "programming equity." If they mean it, they are obligated to eliminate IB.

Sure: “programing equity,” but the SB’s true goal here is:


RACIAL EQUITY.

Equity is their clear, primary goal. They’ve repeatedly stated their number one goal as a SB is not academics. It is equity.

It is the E in DEI.

It is all they care about.

If they cared about that, they would focus on raising individual scores, not masking the problem with affluent kids.

This. The changes will not improve the education of individual children, it is just mathematical averaging by combining better performing kids with worse performing kids.

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IB needs to be eliminated in FCPS. The numbers don't lie.

Once more: The SB as said they want "programming equity." If they mean it, they are obligated to eliminate IB.

Sure: “programing equity,” but the SB’s true goal here is:


RACIAL EQUITY.

Equity is their clear, primary goal. They’ve repeatedly stated their number one goal as a SB is not academics. It is equity.

It is the E in DEI.

It is all they care about.

Fix racial equity by enticing the students they want mixing. This forced movement will not work and they will continue to propagate the same situation, just with even more pissed parents.

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You have to separate IB diploma from IB participation. IB participation is taking a la carte courses in the same vein as AP. I’d rather they drop IB and just go full AP, because most people aren’t using the program as it’s intended anyway. They want the AP model.

Agree.

Why don't they do a survey of IB schools--be sure and include the middle school feeders.
Everyone I know with a child at an IB school would prefer AP.

It's expensive and it has contributed to this boundary mess.

It’s one of the craziest things about this boundary review that they really haven’t sorted out the future of IB.

If you go back over time, they stopped making additional high schools IB schools in the early 2000s but they kept adding IB prep programs (PYP and MYP) to some elementary and middle schools.

And they’ve given scant indication they might revert to AP at the IB high schools, despite the mediocre to poor IB diploma stats. They still seem infatuated with IB’s focus on “global citizenship” and creating “lifelong learners.”

But they really ought to know that they can’t reassign kids from AP to IB high schools in connection with this boundary study without triggering a huge outcry. It’s almost willful ignorance to the likely consequences of their actions.

For more history, when TJ was started, they predominately pulled from Annandale and Lewis neighborhoods, students AND teachers. Not discounting any current teachers at either school now but it left a drought of interest in either and their reputations have never recovered.

I know they would never get rid of TJ now but bring programs back to the schools they were stained to rebuild. Moving boundary lines hasn’t and isn’t going to work for these schools to succeed.

TJ did not pull from Lewis. Just Annandale.

And look where that’s landed Annandale. Talk about EqUiTy

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What changes are happening in Oakton?

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

Wait - only ONE person?!? For all of FCPS??

FCPS = 183,000 students.

There is a near-zero chance of getting caught at that ratio.

I think the schools do it themselves. This was several years back but I was in our ES office and heard one of the employees making calls about residency questions. Two were even told their kids had to leave.

Suuuuuure you did.

I am filing that one under: “things that never happened.”

I know your conspiracy mindset keeps you from believing me and I can’t help you with that. I know what I heard and what I reported is true. I hope you recover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What changes are happening in Oakton?

Nothing is public yet. The BRAC is supposed to see two scenarios at their next meeting. TBD if those will be posted with their meeting minutes.

Final scenarios are to be shared with the community by June and then another wave of public feedback.

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Any word on Chantilly HS?

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Anonymous wrote:What changes are happening in Oakton?

Nothing is public yet. The BRAC is supposed to see two scenarios at their next meeting. TBD if those will be posted with their meeting minutes.

Final scenarios are to be shared with the community by June and then another wave of public feedback.

It’s such a perversion of what BRAC is supposed to do that they are just showing them their already drawn up scenarios.

Given fcps’ shenanigans in the selection process and the extra committee members representing hand-picked special interest groups, they’ve put their thumb on the scale in a way to basically have the BRAC be a rubber stamp.

A sham process that has wasted the BRAC members’ time.

Shame on the school board.

[Anonymous]

Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting zoned to Poe and Annandale?

[Anonymous]

Can someone link to the leaked map information?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone link to the leaked map information?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1255416.page

This was also posted in the previous boundary review thread that was closed

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting zoned to Poe and Annandale?

WFES was just renovated and expanded which was a massive financial investment for the country. With this renovation, the 2026-2030 CIP predicts 71%. They would not move 6th graders out to attend Poe which is 6-8 as that would decrease capacity even more if that’s supposed to be their intention of these boundary changes.

Now if this new, unvetted challenge of moving ALL 6th grades to middle school, one could mention WFES be switched to a middle school. However, Frost MS is slated for expansion which again, would be waste of county dollars.

Further, if they do move 6th to Middle, this entire country will have significant boundary changes. I do think the 3 secondary schools will be the major block to this though.

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Anonymous wrote:What changes are happening in Oakton?

Nothing is public yet. The BRAC is supposed to see two scenarios at their next meeting. TBD if those will be posted with their meeting minutes.

Final scenarios are to be shared with the community by June and then another wave of public feedback.

I wonder if they will share the scenarios after the next BRAC meeting as they have posted all materials of previous. I would imagine people will LOSE it if not. FairFACTS will likely FOIA for it since it’s available information.

Does anyone know the next date of the meeting? Reid specifically posted they will be reviewing at least 2 scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the leaked map information posted on previous thread - what do people think are the chances of entire Wakefield Elementary School getting zoned to Poe and Annandale?

WFES was just renovated and expanded which was a massive financial investment for the country. With this renovation, the 2026-2030 CIP predicts 71%. They would not move 6th graders out to attend Poe which is 6-8 as that would decrease capacity even more if that’s supposed to be their intention of these boundary changes.

Now if this new, unvetted challenge of moving ALL 6th grades to middle school, one could mention WFES be switched to a middle school. However, Frost MS is slated for expansion which again, would be waste of county dollars.

Further, if they do move 6th to Middle, this entire country will have significant boundary changes. I do think the 3 secondary schools will be the major block to this though.

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