TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much[b] any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

+10000

[Anonymous]

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Are you poor? You’re in.
Everyone else? Lottery

Nope.

Are you advanced merit? We limit you based on your skin color
Right kind of skin color? You are in, even if unqualified

What right skin color you mean? Yellow, black, brown? Brown as Indian brown or hispanic brown, or middle east brown, or south asian brown? Why are you so obsessed with this ?
Also how do you define they are “unqualified”?

Good question. Why is FCPS school board obsessed with student's skin color at TJ? Why isnt FCPS as race-neutral as it is for basketball teams with 95% of single race?

It's fairly clear that you don't understand the term "race-neutral".

In a truly "race-neutral" process, the race of the selected individuals would largely mirror the race of the applicant pool.

The new TJ Admissions process does this almost perfectly, while the old process failed at it miserably. You can't make the argument that the new process is "anti-Asian"... the argument you can make is that the old process was "pro-Asian" to a fairly extreme degree.

I would be curious to know how many high school basketball tryouts you've been to and your evaluation of whether or not the applicant pool is significantly racially different from the team that is eventually selected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

You're going to need to show your work on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

Sounds like the next step will be for those services to be rolled out at every middle school. Excellent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

Right but URM representation in AAP lagged and still lags which indicates that either the system can’t identify the requisite number of kids or they don’t exist in large enough numbers? This is evidenced in TJ admissions prior to the change. But rather than starting from the ground up they just made it as easy as possible to give URMs access. The AAP indicators still exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

If this were true, the average GPA of admitted students would be significantly lower than the 3.911 that it was for the incoming class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

Is TJ a Governor's School for high test scores and high US News ranking? Or is it a Governor's School for gifted STEM students?

It's the latter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.